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  • Re: Don't waste time on removing rubbish, avoid it. ;-)

    from Jan Ulrich Hasecke on Mar 07, 2007 12:26 AM
    Hello,
    
    I am sorry to restart old discussions.
    
    Am 07.03.2007 um 11:45 schrieb Martin Aspeli:
    >> Products that do not meet these fundamental requirements are simply
    >> kicked off from plone.org/products.
    >
    > That's a nice theory, but I am very sure it wouldn't be a good idea in
    > practice. We may have four really great products that do nothing of
    > what we want. :)
    >
    
    Even if we define only some very basic requirements?
    
    > The role of plone.org/products is doubly to let people *find* products
    > and to support people whilst they are *developing* them. That's why we
    > make things like roadmaps and issue trackers available.
    >
    
    Perhaps these two roles should be separated. A frontpage to customers  
    with tested Premium Products and a backstage of "projects". Projects  
    which passed the (self-/peer)review gets listed on the frontpage.
    
    So it will still be possible to contribute, but good, stable and  
    supported products get really highlighted.
    
    > However, the PSC is used for a lot of projects-in-the-making that may
    > not have these aspirational targets *yet*. It may also contain a lot
    > of products where these criteria are simply irrelevant. And it may
    > contain products that are not perfect, not for everyone, but vital to
    > some.
    
    Dividing all things into products (fully tested) and projects would  
    be helpful to both developers and customers. Projects can reside in  
    the PSC, but only Products get listed on plone.org/products.
    
    
    juh
    
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  • Re: Don't waste time on removing rubbish, avoid it. ;-)

    from "Martin Aspeli" on Mar 07, 2007 12:40 AM
    > > The role of plone.org/products is doubly to let people *find* products
    > > and to support people whilst they are *developing* them. That's why we
    > > make things like roadmaps and issue trackers available.
    > >
    >
    > Perhaps these two roles should be separated. A frontpage to customers
    > with tested Premium Products and a backstage of "projects". Projects
    > which passed the (self-/peer)review gets listed on the frontpage.
    
    I imagine it will end up being something like this, yes, or at least
    making the "approved" products much more visible and the "potentially
    dangerous" ones much more explicit.
    
    > So it will still be possible to contribute, but good, stable and
    > supported products get really highlighted.
    
    Yep. :)
    
    > > However, the PSC is used for a lot of projects-in-the-making that may
    > > not have these aspirational targets *yet*. It may also contain a lot
    > > of products where these criteria are simply irrelevant. And it may
    > > contain products that are not perfect, not for everyone, but vital to
    > > some.
    >
    > Dividing all things into products (fully tested) and projects would
    > be helpful to both developers and customers. Projects can reside in
    > the PSC, but only Products get listed on plone.org/products.
    
    Yes and no. The line is probably not as clear as that. What is "fully
    tested"? This could well become subjective on individual points (does
    everything need i18n? does everything need clean uninstall? what kind
    of bottlenecks will there be if we require independent verification of
    product quailty?). Again, though, the community as a whole should be
    allowed to highlight "good" products through ratings, reviews and
    statistics.
    
    Martin
    
    • Re: Don't waste time on removing rubbish, avoid it. ;-)

      from Jan Ulrich Hasecke on Mar 07, 2007 12:48 AM
      Am 07.03.2007 um 12:40 schrieb Martin Aspeli:
      > Again, though, the community as a whole should be
      > allowed to highlight "good" products through ratings, reviews and
      > statistics.
      
      Maybe the quickest approach.
      
      And if we get a good rating-engine for Plone on this way, I'll be lucky.
      
      juh