• TOPP Talks discussion

  • how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

    from David Winslow on Jul 30, 2008 09:58 AM 
    Hey all,

Yesterday someone asked me where some slides from a talk Nick gave at 
the recent Creative Commons salon that was hosted at TOPP were.  I 
didn't know, since the talk wasn't a 'TOPP Talk'.  But after a little 
digging I found that those slides were indeed in the topp-talks folder 
in SVN, but weren't listed anywhere on the wiki.  I went ahead and added 
a link in case anyone is looking for them in the future, but now I 
wonder whether that was the right thing to do.

While I didn't make it down for the actual talks, I think this 
presentation was mostly a LivableStreets/The Open Planning Project 
promo, with some tie-ins to Creative Commons since we use their licenses 
for some of our content.  Promotional material isn't really what I had 
in mind when TOPP Talks was starting out, and it probably makes sense to 
have a separate archive for that kind of thing rather than lumping it in 
with talks on Zen and  music theory.  (Further along this vein, there 
should probably be some slide templates that look like 
(LivableStreets|OpenGeo|OpenPlans.org|Melkjug|TOPP) rather than 
recycling the TOPP Talks template.)

Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having talks out 
there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong place 
or not listed at all.  What do you think?

-d
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  • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

    from darcy on Jul 30, 2008 10:38 AM 
    On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...> wrote:
> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having talks out
> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong place or
> not listed at all.  What do you think?

In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I think
the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
/svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as well as
things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a Talk At
a Conference" in order to know where to look.

Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should probably
be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's talk on
Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same SVN
directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or otherwise
recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link to
its slides.

And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage people to
generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
presenters.

$0.02,
egj

    • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

      from nickyg on Jul 30, 2008 10:42 AM 
      Yeah, I agree -- we actually do have a "presentations" directory in  
SVN: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/presentations/

For the CC salon talk, I just used the TOPP talks template and svn out  
of laziness :)  +1 for separating these things out as you guys describe.

Nick

On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow  
> <dwinslow@...> wrote:
>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having talks  
>> out
>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong  
>> place or
>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>
> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I think
> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as well as
> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a Talk At
> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>
> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should probably
> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's talk on
> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same SVN
> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or otherwise
> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link to
> its slides.
>
> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage people to
> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
> presenters.
>
> $0.02,
> egj
>
>
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      • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

        from David Winslow on Jul 30, 2008 10:50 AM 
        Okay, I'm moving the topp-talks directory there in that case.

-d

Nick Grossman wrote:
> Yeah, I agree -- we actually do have a "presentations" directory in 
> SVN: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/presentations/
>
> For the CC salon talk, I just used the TOPP talks template and svn out 
> of laziness :)  +1 for separating these things out as you guys describe.
>
> Nick
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...> 
>> wrote:
>>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having talks out
>>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong 
>>> place or
>>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>>
>> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I think
>> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
>> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as well as
>> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
>> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
>> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
>> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a Talk At
>> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>>
>> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should probably
>> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's talk on
>> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same SVN
>> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
>> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or otherwise
>> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link to
>> its slides.
>>
>> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
>> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
>> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
>> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage people to
>> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
>> presenters.
>>
>> $0.02,
>> egj
>>
>>
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        • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

          from rpenate on Jul 30, 2008 10:55 AM 
          Will that break the links to the existing talks? Notably the ones  
given at the end of the talks themselves...

—R

On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, David Winslow wrote:

> Okay, I'm moving the topp-talks directory there in that case.
>
> -d
>
> Nick Grossman wrote:
>> Yeah, I agree -- we actually do have a "presentations" directory in  
>> SVN: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/presentations/
>>
>> For the CC salon talk, I just used the TOPP talks template and svn  
>> out of laziness :)  +1 for separating these things out as you guys  
>> describe.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow  
>>> <dwinslow@...> wrote:
>>>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having  
>>>> talks out
>>>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong  
>>>> place or
>>>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>>>
>>> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I  
>>> think
>>> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
>>> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as well  
>>> as
>>> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
>>> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
>>> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
>>> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a Talk  
>>> At
>>> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should  
>>> probably
>>> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's talk  
>>> on
>>> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same  
>>> SVN
>>> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
>>> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or  
>>> otherwise
>>> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link to
>>> its slides.
>>>
>>> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
>>> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
>>> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
>>> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage people  
>>> to
>>> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
>>> presenters.
>>>
>>> $0.02,
>>> egj
>>>
>>>
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>>
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          • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

            from David Winslow on Jul 30, 2008 11:02 AM 
            Rolando Penate wrote:
> Will that break the links to the existing talks? Notably the ones 
> given at the end of the talks themselves...
>
> —R
Yes, links will be broken.  I don't know what you're talking about wrt 
links given at the end of the talks though.
-d
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, David Winslow wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'm moving the topp-talks directory there in that case.
>>
>> -d
>>
>> Nick Grossman wrote:
>>> Yeah, I agree -- we actually do have a "presentations" directory in 
>>> SVN: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/presentations/
>>>
>>> For the CC salon talk, I just used the TOPP talks template and svn 
>>> out of laziness :)  +1 for separating these things out as you guys 
>>> describe.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow 
>>>> <dwinslow@...> wrote:
>>>>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having 
>>>>> talks out
>>>>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong 
>>>>> place or
>>>>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I think
>>>> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
>>>> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as well as
>>>> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
>>>> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
>>>> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
>>>> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a Talk At
>>>> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should probably
>>>> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's talk on
>>>> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same SVN
>>>> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
>>>> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or otherwise
>>>> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link to
>>>> its slides.
>>>>
>>>> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
>>>> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
>>>> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
>>>> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage people to
>>>> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
>>>> presenters.
>>>>
>>>> $0.02,
>>>> egj
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> (917) 825-6590
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>>>
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            • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

              from nickyg on Jul 30, 2008 11:10 AM 
              On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:02 AM, David Winslow wrote:

> Rolando Penate wrote:
>> Will that break the links to the existing talks? Notably the ones  
>> given at the end of the talks themselves...
>>
>> —R
> Yes, links will be broken.  I don't know what you're talking about  
> wrt links given at the end of the talks though.

We put a link to our talk on the last slide -- not sure if other  
people have done this with topp talks in the past.

If so, then an apache redirect for everything in the topp talks  
directory would be in order.  This is good practice, in general, when  
we move potentially public files after the fact (although not usually  
with stuff inside SVN).


>
> -d
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, David Winslow wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I'm moving the topp-talks directory there in that case.
>>>
>>> -d
>>>
>>> Nick Grossman wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I agree -- we actually do have a "presentations" directory  
>>>> in SVN: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/presentations/
>>>>
>>>> For the CC salon talk, I just used the TOPP talks template and  
>>>> svn out of laziness :)  +1 for separating these things out as you  
>>>> guys describe.
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@... 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having  
>>>>>> talks out
>>>>>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the  
>>>>>> wrong place or
>>>>>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I  
>>>>> think
>>>>> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
>>>>> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as  
>>>>> well as
>>>>> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
>>>>> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
>>>>> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a  
>>>>> TOPP
>>>>> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a  
>>>>> Talk At
>>>>> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should  
>>>>> probably
>>>>> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's  
>>>>> talk on
>>>>> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the  
>>>>> same SVN
>>>>> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
>>>>> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or  
>>>>> otherwise
>>>>> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a  
>>>>> link to
>>>>> its slides.
>>>>>
>>>>> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
>>>>> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake  
>>>>> of
>>>>> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
>>>>> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage  
>>>>> people to
>>>>> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
>>>>> presenters.
>>>>>
>>>>> $0.02,
>>>>> egj
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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          • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

            from nickyg on Jul 30, 2008 11:02 AM 
            I have a pointer I can put back at that location -- I sort of doubt  
that anyone copied it down (I hope I'm wrong!), and I updated the link  
in the TOPP Blog post about it with the new location.  It might be  
clearer (for our own sake) to keep the directories as David put them,  
so we don't have a topp-talks dir in the SVN just for the sake of  
preserving links to one file.

Alternatively, we could just do an apache rewrite just to redirect  
this one file, keeping SVN clean.

Nick

On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:55 AM, Rolando Penate wrote:

> Will that break the links to the existing talks? Notably the ones  
> given at the end of the talks themselves...
>
> —R
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:50 AM, David Winslow wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'm moving the topp-talks directory there in that case.
>>
>> -d
>>
>> Nick Grossman wrote:
>>> Yeah, I agree -- we actually do have a "presentations" directory  
>>> in SVN: https://svn.openplans.org/svn/presentations/
>>>
>>> For the CC salon talk, I just used the TOPP talks template and svn  
>>> out of laziness :)  +1 for separating these things out as you guys  
>>> describe.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@... 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having  
>>>>> talks out
>>>>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong  
>>>>> place or
>>>>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I  
>>>> think
>>>> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
>>>> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as  
>>>> well as
>>>> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
>>>> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
>>>> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
>>>> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a  
>>>> Talk At
>>>> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should  
>>>> probably
>>>> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's  
>>>> talk on
>>>> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same  
>>>> SVN
>>>> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
>>>> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or  
>>>> otherwise
>>>> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link  
>>>> to
>>>> its slides.
>>>>
>>>> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
>>>> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
>>>> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
>>>> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage  
>>>> people to
>>>> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
>>>> presenters.
>>>>
>>>> $0.02,
>>>> egj
>>>>
>>>>
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    • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

      from David Winslow on Jul 30, 2008 10:47 AM 
      Ethan Jucovy wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:58 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...> wrote:
>   
>> Anyway, just trying to figure out some policy to avoid having talks out
>> there that people can't find because they're listed in the wrong place or
>> not listed at all.  What do you think?
>>     
>
> In terms of the actual archived forms of presentations in SVN, I think
> the most straightforward thing to do is to just have a
> /svn/presentations directory to put slides for TOPP Talks, as well as
> things like this CC talk or any other presentations we do.  When
> people are looking for slides from a talk, I suspect it'll be
> pointless overhead to force them to stop and think "was this a TOPP
> Talk, or a Promotional Talk, or a Training Presentation, or a Talk At
> a Conference" in order to know where to look.
>
>   
Slides currently live in a few different places. Some are attachments to 
TOPP Talks wiki pages, some are directories in  SVN.  There's even one 
lucky talk that's an attachment to a blog post on topp-office.  So we 
don't already have this.

Anyway, we're more than half non-techies, and I'd wager that a lot of 
those non-techies are people who would want to look for slides (in the 
case I'm speaking of, Vanessa was collecting some information to put 
together some promotional material) so a directory in SVN may not be 
sufficient.

Another thing is that we probably want to make promotional stuff 
accessible to non-TOPPers, TOPP Talks and training stuff less so.
> Meanwhile the TOPP Talks wiki (and this mailing list) should probably
> be limited to proper TOPP Talks.  So while slides for Chris's talk on
> Zen and Nick's talk on LivableStreets would both live in the same SVN
> directory, only the former would be listed on the TOPP Talks wiki,
> announced on the TOPP Talks mailing list, and transcribed or otherwise
> recorded on #topp-talks to be posted back on the wiki with a link to
> its slides.
>
> And a strong +1 on having some branded slide templates rather than
> reusing the TOPP Talks template, though that's more for the sake of
> the presentation than for the sake of TOPP Talks' conceptual
> integrity, so I think it's reasonable to "merely" encourage people to
> generate and use those templates but leave it as a choice for
> presenters.
>
>   
fwiw, this is what I had in mind.  TOPP Talks conceptual integrity isn't 
that important to me, but the conceptual integrity of public facing 
stuff is.
> $0.02,
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      • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

        from darcy on Jul 30, 2008 11:13 AM 
        On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...> wrote:

> Slides currently live in a few different places. Some are attachments to
> TOPP Talks wiki pages, some are directories in  SVN.  There's even one lucky
> talk that's an attachment to a blog post on topp-office.  So we don't
> already have this.
>
> Anyway, we're more than half non-techies, and I'd wager that a lot of those
> non-techies are people who would want to look for slides (in the case I'm
> speaking of, Vanessa was collecting some information to put together some
> promotional material) so a directory in SVN may not be sufficient.

Slides in SVN can be viewed through the web if the svn:mime-type
property is set correctly.

egj

        • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

          from nickyg on Jul 30, 2008 11:15 AM 
          On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM, David Winslow  
> <dwinslow@...> wrote:
>
>> Slides currently live in a few different places. Some are  
>> attachments to
>> TOPP Talks wiki pages, some are directories in  SVN.  There's even  
>> one lucky
>> talk that's an attachment to a blog post on topp-office.  So we don't
>> already have this.
>>
>> Anyway, we're more than half non-techies, and I'd wager that a lot  
>> of those
>> non-techies are people who would want to look for slides (in the  
>> case I'm
>> speaking of, Vanessa was collecting some information to put  
>> together some
>> promotional material) so a directory in SVN may not be sufficient.
>
> Slides in SVN can be viewed through the web if the svn:mime-type
> property is set correctly.

Yeah, with s5 slides, you need to be sure to set the svn:mime-type to  
text/html for index.html and text/css for all the css files.

Nick

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          • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

            from David Winslow on Jul 30, 2008 11:23 AM 
            What I really meant was that SVN directory listings aren't tremendously 
accessible.  It would be better to have something with real titles 
instead of filenames, and author and date information inline with the 
listing.  (Like I said, this whole discussion started from me digging 
through SVN for Vanessa).

-d

Nick Grossman wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@... 
>> <mailto:dwinslow@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> Slides currently live in a few different places. Some are attachments to
>>> TOPP Talks wiki pages, some are directories in  SVN.  There's even 
>>> one lucky
>>> talk that's an attachment to a blog post on topp-office.  So we don't
>>> already have this.
>>>
>>> Anyway, we're more than half non-techies, and I'd wager that a lot 
>>> of those
>>> non-techies are people who would want to look for slides (in the 
>>> case I'm
>>> speaking of, Vanessa was collecting some information to put together 
>>> some
>>> promotional material) so a directory in SVN may not be sufficient.
>>
>> Slides in SVN can be viewed through the web if the svn:mime-type
>> property is set correctly.
>
> Yeah, with s5 slides, you need to be sure to set the svn:mime-type to 
> text/html for index.html and text/css for all the css files.
>
> Nick
>
>>
>>
>> egj
>>
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            • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

              from darcy on Jul 30, 2008 11:27 AM 
              I don't know, that sounds a bit YAGNI to me.  Having all slides in one
place, plus having that metadata available for true TOPP Talks on the
TOPP Talks wiki, would be a big improvement over the current
organization, so I'd suggest starting there and seeing whether
anything more is needed.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...> wrote:
> What I really meant was that SVN directory listings aren't tremendously
> accessible.  It would be better to have something with real titles instead
> of filenames, and author and date information inline with the listing.
>  (Like I said, this whole discussion started from me digging through SVN for
> Vanessa).
>
> -d
>
> Nick Grossman wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...
>>> <mailto:dwinslow@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Slides currently live in a few different places. Some are attachments to
>>>> TOPP Talks wiki pages, some are directories in  SVN.  There's even one
>>>> lucky
>>>> talk that's an attachment to a blog post on topp-office.  So we don't
>>>> already have this.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, we're more than half non-techies, and I'd wager that a lot of
>>>> those
>>>> non-techies are people who would want to look for slides (in the case
>>>> I'm
>>>> speaking of, Vanessa was collecting some information to put together
>>>> some
>>>> promotional material) so a directory in SVN may not be sufficient.
>>>
>>> Slides in SVN can be viewed through the web if the svn:mime-type
>>> property is set correctly.
>>
>> Yeah, with s5 slides, you need to be sure to set the svn:mime-type to
>> text/html for index.html and text/css for all the css files.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> egj
>>>
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              • Re: how exclusive is TOPP Talks?

                from David Winslow on Jul 30, 2008 11:47 AM 
                sounds good to me.
-d

Ethan Jucovy wrote:
> I don't know, that sounds a bit YAGNI to me.  Having all slides in one
> place, plus having that metadata available for true TOPP Talks on the
> TOPP Talks wiki, would be a big improvement over the current
> organization, so I'd suggest starting there and seeing whether
> anything more is needed.
>
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...> wrote:
>   
>> What I really meant was that SVN directory listings aren't tremendously
>> accessible.  It would be better to have something with real titles instead
>> of filenames, and author and date information inline with the listing.
>>  (Like I said, this whole discussion started from me digging through SVN for
>> Vanessa).
>>
>> -d
>>
>> Nick Grossman wrote:
>>     
>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Ethan Jucovy wrote:
>>>       
>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:47 AM, David Winslow <dwinslow@...
>>>> <mailto:dwinslow@...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Slides currently live in a few different places. Some are attachments to
>>>>> TOPP Talks wiki pages, some are directories in  SVN.  There's even one
>>>>> lucky
>>>>> talk that's an attachment to a blog post on topp-office.  So we don't
>>>>> already have this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, we're more than half non-techies, and I'd wager that a lot of
>>>>> those
>>>>> non-techies are people who would want to look for slides (in the case
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> speaking of, Vanessa was collecting some information to put together
>>>>> some
>>>>> promotional material) so a directory in SVN may not be sufficient.
>>>>>           
>>>> Slides in SVN can be viewed through the web if the svn:mime-type
>>>> property is set correctly.
>>>>         
>>> Yeah, with s5 slides, you need to be sure to set the svn:mime-type to
>>> text/html for index.html and text/css for all the css files.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>       
>>>> egj
>>>>
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