• Xinha discussion

  • New plugins

    from nicholasbs on Oct 14, 2008 04:02 PM
    While looking through the open 0.96 tickets today, I noticed there are several new plugins that have been attached to tickets and which have largely been ignored. Specifically, I found:
    
    Media, a plugin for inserting various types of media, e.g., QuickTime movies, sound files, flash files, etc. Also supports playlists, interestingly enough.
     - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1168
     - See also: http://www.jljsolutions.co.uk/xinha.html
    
    FlashEdit, for embedding Flash files. This actually saw a decent amount of activity when it was first opened three years ago...
     - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/669
     - See also: http://xinha.webfactional.com/ticket/685
    
    OpenUrl, for opening and editing webpages inside of Xinha.
     - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/996
    
    New Character Map plugin, a replacement for the current character map plugin that has better support for Celtic languages, and a few other updates.
     - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1235
    
    These are in various states of completion (and since they're pretty old, I believe they all use the old popup dialogs). For the meantime, I've moved from 0.96 to 1.0. However, in the longer term, it might be a good idea to 1) assess just how far along/good these plugins are, and 2) contact their authors if possible and ask if they're interested in completing/updating them so they can be checked into the respository.
    
    Thoughts?
    
    -Nicholas
    
    Thread Outline:
  • Re: New plugins

    from douglas on Oct 14, 2008 04:08 PM
    That sounds great, but do we actually have contact info for these  
    people?  (I'm hoping it's embedded in the plugins.)  If not, and they  
    haven't left it in the tickets, we're kind of out of luck.  Like you  
    brought up before, it makes me wish it was easier for people to sign  
    up for trac accounts...  This is the sort of thing that people would  
    lave to have included.
    
    Doug
    
    
    On Oct 14, 2008, at 4:02 PM, Nicholas Bergson-Shilcock wrote:
    
    > While looking through the open 0.96 tickets today, I noticed there  
    > are several new plugins that have been attached to tickets and which  
    > have largely been ignored. Specifically, I found:
    >
    > Media, a plugin for inserting various types of media, e.g.,  
    > QuickTime movies, sound files, flash files, etc. Also supports  
    > playlists, interestingly enough.
    > - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1168
    > - See also: http://www.jljsolutions.co.uk/xinha.html
    >
    > FlashEdit, for embedding Flash files. This actually saw a decent  
    > amount of activity when it was first opened three years ago...
    > - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/669
    > - See also: http://xinha.webfactional.com/ticket/685
    >
    > OpenUrl, for opening and editing webpages inside of Xinha.
    > - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/996
    >
    > New Character Map plugin, a replacement for the current character  
    > map plugin that has better support for Celtic languages, and a few  
    > other updates.
    > - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1235
    >
    > These are in various states of completion (and since they're pretty  
    > old, I believe they all use the old popup dialogs). For the  
    > meantime, I've moved from 0.96 to 1.0. However, in the longer term,  
    > it might be a good idea to 1) assess just how far along/good these  
    > plugins are, and 2) contact their authors if possible and ask if  
    > they're interested in completing/updating them so they can be  
    > checked into the respository.
    >
    > Thoughts?
    >
    > -Nicholas
    >
    >
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  • Re: New plugins

    from JohnnyJ on Oct 14, 2008 05:29 PM
    Hello,
    the media plug-in development ground to a bit of a halt for a couple of
    reasons. 
    1) I've only done solo work, so when asking about how to contribute I may have
    scared James by my total lack of knowledge/experience with svn etc. So I think
    he could have been reticent  (probably quite rightly) in giving me a developer
    password (or whatever it is you need). I did manage to produce (after some
    coaching) a valid diff against the trunk of the time (dunno if he still has
    this - must have been 0.96).
    
    2) there was some question about whether my work could be allowed within Xinha
    as I've admitted to using a plugin within Tiny-MCE as a concept base (the two
    licenses aren't compatible). The finished product is however (obviously)
    significantly different from the Tiny-MCE version - in terms of code if not
    look - which can obv be changed.
    
    On that note the playlist work may-not be admissible as the flv player is only
    free if used for non-commercial products. I know there are absolutely free flv
    players out there that I could implement, but not so sure about playlists.
    
    Other than that the plug-in (as far as 0.96 was concerned) is ready to go
    failing input from other developers. It relied on some changes with plugins
    'ContextMenu', 'ExtendedFileManager' and 'DoubleClick' so someone would need
    to review these with the newer versions.
    
    I'm willing to address this again as and when I have time if people are
    interested. It's received positive feedback from people who have downloaded
    it.
    
    With regard to FlashEdit, I was the last person to have a go at doing
    something with it I think (http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1097), it was my first
    attempt at playing with a xinha plug-in. It's a bit of a mess, but I used a
    couple of bits for the Media plug-in,
    If Media gets up and running it won't be needed, the only advantage is that I
    got it working with script detection/placement instead of an old school embed,
    but I think I could get this going in Media if I could be bothered.
    
    Hope this sheds some light,
    
    John
    
    
    On Oct 14, 2008 04:02 PM, Nicholas Bergson-Shilcock wrote:
    > While looking through the open 0.96 tickets today, I noticed there are
    > several new plugins that have been attached to tickets and which have
    > largely been ignored. Specifically, I found:
    
    > Media, a plugin for inserting various types of media, e.g., QuickTime
    > movies, sound files, flash files, etc. Also supports playlists,
    > interestingly enough.
     - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1168
    >  - See also: http://www.jljsolutions.co.uk/xinha.html
    > 
    > FlashEdit, for embedding Flash files. This actually saw a decent amount of
    > activity when it was first opened three years ago...
     - Ticket:
    > http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/669
     - See also:
    > http://xinha.webfactional.com/ticket/685
    • Re: Re: New plugins

      from nicholasbs on Oct 14, 2008 06:12 PM
      Excerpts from John Jenkins's message of Tue Oct 14 17:29:56 -0400 2008:
      > Hello,
      
      Hi John,
      
      > the media plug-in development ground to a bit of a halt for a couple of
      > reasons. 
      > 1) I've only done solo work, so when asking about how to contribute I may have
      > scared James by my total lack of knowledge/experience with svn etc. So I think
      > he could have been reticent  (probably quite rightly) in giving me a developer
      > password (or whatever it is you need). I did manage to produce (after some
      > coaching) a valid diff against the trunk of the time (dunno if he still has
      > this - must have been 0.96).
      > 
      
      I (along with a couple other Xinha devs) hang out in #xinha, the Xinha chat room on IRC. I'm there Monday through Friday from around 10am to 6pm (GMT-4), and am always happy to help. (If you're not familiar with IRC, let me know and I can tell you how to connect.)
      
      > 2) there was some question about whether my work could be allowed within Xinha
      > as I've admitted to using a plugin within Tiny-MCE as a concept base (the two
      > licenses aren't compatible). The finished product is however (obviously)
      > significantly different from the Tiny-MCE version - in terms of code if not
      > look - which can obv be changed.
      > 
      
      I don't think this will be a problem, actually. TinyMCE (and the TinyMCE plugin you used, I assume; do you know if this is indeed the case?) is released under the LGPL. Assuming you keep the original licensing/copyright information, and release your additions under the LGPL, there shouldn't be any conflict with using it as a Xinha plugin (we already have a couple of Xinha plugins released under the LGPL, actually).
      
      > On that note the playlist work may-not be admissible as the flv player is only
      > free if used for non-commercial products. I know there are absolutely free flv
      > players out there that I could implement, but not so sure about playlists.
      > 
      
      Yes, this (i.e., the non-commercial restriction) is definitely an issue we would have to deal with.
      
      > Other than that the plug-in (as far as 0.96 was concerned) is ready to go
      > failing input from other developers. It relied on some changes with plugins
      > 'ContextMenu', 'ExtendedFileManager' and 'DoubleClick' so someone would need
      > to review these with the newer versions.
      > 
      
      Doug's about to do some work on ExtendedFileManager, I believe. Doug, would you mind taking a look at this?
      
      > I'm willing to address this again as and when I have time if people are
      > interested. It's received positive feedback from people who have downloaded
      > it.
      > 
      
      Great to hear! 
      
      > With regard to FlashEdit, I was the last person to have a go at doing
      > something with it I think (http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1097), it was my first
      > attempt at playing with a xinha plug-in. It's a bit of a mess, but I used a
      > couple of bits for the Media plug-in,
      > If Media gets up and running it won't be needed, the only advantage is that I
      > got it working with script detection/placement instead of an old school embed,
      > but I think I could get this going in Media if I could be bothered.
      > 
      
      Yeah, it seems like the plugins have a lot of overlap, so it probably makes more sense to concentrate on Media, which is more general.
      
      > Hope this sheds some light,
      > 
      
      It did indeed -- thanks for the quick response. 
      
      -Nicholas
      
      > John
      > 
      > On Oct 14, 2008 04:02 PM, Nicholas Bergson-Shilcock wrote:
      > > While looking through the open 0.96 tickets today, I noticed there are
      > > several new plugins that have been attached to tickets and which have
      > > largely been ignored. Specifically, I found:
      > 
      > > Media, a plugin for inserting various types of media, e.g., QuickTime
      > > movies, sound files, flash files, etc. Also supports playlists,
      > > interestingly enough.
      >  - Ticket: http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/1168
      > >  - See also: http://www.jljsolutions.co.uk/xinha.html
      > > 
      > > FlashEdit, for embedding Flash files. This actually saw a decent amount of
      > > activity when it was first opened three years ago...
      >  - Ticket:
      > > http://trac.xinha.org/ticket/669
      >  - See also:
      > > http://xinha.webfactional.com/ticket/685
      > 
      
      • Re: New plugins

        from davistv on Nov 04, 2008 01:59 PM
        Hello,
        
        I'm delighted to hear that the Media plugin is being looked at again. Is there
        anything I can do to help? My company's product uses Xinha, and we'd love to
        get the Media plugin integrated and released. Would a little funding help move
        this along?
        
        Thank You,
        Troy