• Zope.org Redux

  • Styling? No, information strategy.

    from oliver on Apr 23, 2008 11:57 AM 
    Hello everybody,

after designing the pages that were described by Philipp (v.W.) via  
wireframes and handing
all over to Denis, my job would be done, in theory.

Practically, many things still look pretty shitty on the page and I  
would not tell anybody that
I did the design, if you know what I mean.

So what to do?

First, I can't help if you don't use my suggestions/guidelines. It's  
that easy. Look at the home
page and compare it to the design file. Anybody can see one of them  
does not look good.

My suggestion:

Go on and put the content to the site until you agree that it's fine.  
Then I will have another
(free) look at it and plug things together again and fix things  
visually.

Tell me what you think about it.

Concerning the content: I think it is far too techy on the home. Give  
people a modest intro
and don't shoot sharp here. Be friendly!

I guess you will hate me now - but I just do my job. Sort of.

Have a nice time,
Oli

Oliver Ruhm
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  • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

    from oliver on Apr 23, 2008 12:06 PM 
    Oh I guess I need to apologize: contents on home aren't that bad, just  
need structure.
I think we had this in the original design with the boxes. Ay?

On Apr 23, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Oliver Ruhm wrote:

>
> Hello everybody,
>
> after designing the pages that were described by Philipp (v.W.) via  
> wireframes and handing
> all over to Denis, my job would be done, in theory.
>
> Practically, many things still look pretty shitty on the page and I  
> would not tell anybody that
> I did the design, if you know what I mean.
>
> So what to do?
>
> First, I can't help if you don't use my suggestions/guidelines. It's  
> that easy. Look at the home
> page and compare it to the design file. Anybody can see one of them  
> does not look good.
>
> My suggestion:
>
> Go on and put the content to the site until you agree that it's  
> fine. Then I will have another
> (free) look at it and plug things together again and fix things  
> visually.
>
> Tell me what you think about it.
>
> Concerning the content: I think it is far too techy on the home.  
> Give people a modest intro
> and don't shoot sharp here. Be friendly!
>
> I guess you will hate me now - but I just do my job. Sort of.
>
> Have a nice time,
> Oli
>
> Oliver Ruhm
> +43 664 434 76 54
> www.wz-bfg.com
>
> Be safe with
> Rhesus Bloodtype Shirts
> www.rhesus.at
>
>
>
> --
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    • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

      from optilude on Apr 23, 2008 12:10 PM 
      Oliver Ruhm wrote:
> Oh I guess I need to apologize: contents on home aren't that bad, just  
> need structure.
> I think we had this in the original design with the boxes. Ay?

Content-wise, we're still very much in "draft" mode. I fully expect the 
content to be cleaned up visually as well as textually.

Cheers,
Martin

  • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

    from batlogg on Apr 23, 2008 12:21 PM 
    On 23.04.2008, at 17:56, Oliver Ruhm wrote:

>
> Hello everybody,
>
> after designing the pages that were described by Philipp (v.W.) via  
> wireframes and handing
> all over to Denis, my job would be done, in theory.
>
> Practically, many things still look pretty shitty on the page and I  
> would not tell anybody that
> I did the design, if you know what I mean.
>
> So what to do?
>
> First, I can't help if you don't use my suggestions/guidelines. It's  
> that easy. Look at the home
> page and compare it to the design file. Anybody can see one of them  
> does not look good.
>
> My suggestion:
>
> Go on and put the content to the site until you agree that it's  
> fine. Then I will have another
> (free) look at it and plug things together again and fix things  
> visually.

perfect! thanks for that offer oli

jodok

>
>
> Tell me what you think about it.
>
> Concerning the content: I think it is far too techy on the home.  
> Give people a modest intro
> and don't shoot sharp here. Be friendly!
>
> I guess you will hate me now - but I just do my job. Sort of.
>
> Have a nice time,
> Oli
>
> Oliver Ruhm
> +43 664 434 76 54
> www.wz-bfg.com
>
> Be safe with
> Rhesus Bloodtype Shirts
> www.rhesus.at
>
>
>
> --
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  • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

    from juh on Apr 23, 2008 03:27 PM 
    Ah, poor Oliver,

look what they've done to your design! ;-)

Am 23.04.2008 um 17:56 schrieb Oliver Ruhm:
>
> So what to do?
>
> First, I can't help if you don't use my suggestions/guidelines.  
> It's that easy. Look at the home
> page and compare it to the design file. Anybody can see one of them  
> does not look good.
>

Are there any guidelines for headings and subheadings. The  
subheadings look bigger than the headings on the site.

> I guess you will hate me now - but I just do my job. Sort of.
>

Please keep up biting! I like the mock up more than the current state  
of the design.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jan Ulrich Hasecke

-- 
hasecke.com
Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Schubertstr. 4
42719 Solingen

    • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

      from oliver on Apr 24, 2008 03:17 AM 
      @Jan-Ulrich:

If you want to use the design for Zope.de, that's OK with me (in  
normal case you would
need to pay for the design copyright). I have just three things I need  
to reassure:

- When you alter or extend existing design elements, this needs to be  
either done or
   at least be approved by me (this is for quality)
- We will finish this Baustelle here, and then we take care about yours.
- Please give me a notion in your footer, as zope.org will.

If you agree to that, I have no problems cloning the site design, but  
you will have to ask
Denis if he also agrees to that. After all, he has made the Plone skin.

Another day, another rock.

Oliver


On Apr 23, 2008, at 9:27 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:

> Ah, poor Oliver,
>
> look what they've done to your design! ;-)
>
> Am 23.04.2008 um 17:56 schrieb Oliver Ruhm:
>>
>> So what to do?
>>
>> First, I can't help if you don't use my suggestions/guidelines.  
>> It's that easy. Look at the home
>> page and compare it to the design file. Anybody can see one of them  
>> does not look good.
>>
>
> Are there any guidelines for headings and subheadings. The  
> subheadings look bigger than the headings on the site.
>
>> I guess you will hate me now - but I just do my job. Sort of.
>>
>
> Please keep up biting! I like the mock up more than the current  
> state of the design.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Jan Ulrich Hasecke
>
> -- 
> hasecke.com
> Jan Ulrich Hasecke
> Schubertstr. 4
> 42719 Solingen
>
>


Oliver Ruhm
+43 664 434 76 54
www.wz-bfg.com

Be safe with
Rhesus Bloodtype Shirts
www.rhesus.at

      • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

        from juh on Apr 24, 2008 08:41 AM 
        Am 24.04.2008 um 09:16 schrieb Oliver Ruhm:

>
> @Jan-Ulrich:
>
> If you want to use the design for Zope.de, that's OK with me (in  
> normal case you would
> need to pay for the design copyright). I have just three things I  
> need to reassure:
>
> - When you alter or extend existing design elements, this needs to  
> be either done or
>   at least be approved by me (this is for quality)

Does this apply to all images, which we upload into the blurb?

I fear that this might not be at all times the best solution. What if  
we need a quick banner for anything. Look at http://www.zope.de  
Frontpage, where we have three banners at the moment.

> - We will finish this Baustelle here, and then we take care about  
> yours.

Yes, what we need is just the final theme.

> - Please give me a notion in your footer, as zope.org will.
>
Of course we can do that.

> If you agree to that, I have no problems cloning the site design,  
> but you will have to ask
> Denis if he also agrees to that. After all, he has made the Plone  
> skin.
>

AFAIR he says that the theme will get an open license, as far as his  
work is involved.
@Denis: Am I right?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jan Ulrich Hasecke

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        • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

          from oliver on Apr 28, 2008 08:39 AM 
          Hi Jan,

> Does this apply to all images, which we upload into the blurb?


If you mean your banners on top, like Grok, Zope-Tagung and Plone  
Buttons,
it is clear that I won't be the one to do them.

But I do not understand: if you take my design, you will not have  
those blurbs, will you?
If, you'll need another design template for this view.

I thought you were thinking about using the same design as the new  
Zope.org website.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Oliver Ruhm
+43 664 434 76 54
www.wz-bfg.com

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          • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

            from juh on Apr 28, 2008 08:54 AM 
            We want to take the same design as zope.org

If we announce something we need updated or new images e.g. for our  
annual meeting or so.

We might want to put them into the blurb-area as the present in the  
example below.




So we need a license which include the right to extend and modify the  
site-design if needed.

Am 28.04.2008 um 14:39 schrieb Oliver Ruhm:

>
> Hi Jan,
>
>> Does this apply to all images, which we upload into the blurb?
>
>
> If you mean your banners on top, like Grok, Zope-Tagung and Plone  
> Buttons,
> it is clear that I won't be the one to do them.
>
> But I do not understand: if you take my design, you will not have  
> those blurbs, will you?
> If, you'll need another design template for this view.
>
> I thought you were thinking about using the same design as the new  
> Zope.org website.
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Oliver Ruhm
> +43 664 434 76 54
> www.wz-bfg.com
>
> Be safe with
> Rhesus Bloodtype Shirts
> www.rhesus.at
>
>
>
> <banner-grok.png>

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Jan Ulrich Hasecke

-- 
hasecke.com
Jan Ulrich Hasecke
Schubertstr. 4
42719 Solingen

            • Re: Styling? No, information strategy.

              from oliver on Apr 28, 2008 09:11 AM 
              Hello Jan,

the original design (sic) has had such an area. It was the  
announcement box.
If you need to change the upper blurb, it should be for a good reason.

I don't think things get better if you use this area on front page for  
one purpose
(announcements) and on the other pages for a different purpose  
(summary of
the dislpayed content).

It's not a question of license, I hope I won't sue you or so. I think  
it's a question
of using the design a smart way.

If you think it fits to you to put announcements up there, I will have  
to have a
look at it when it is ready - maybe I just get it wrong.

(Oh, wait: what a great chance for the others to see how it was  
intended!)

Oliver




On Apr 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:

> We want to take the same design as zope.org
>
> If we announce something we need updated or new images e.g. for our  
> annual meeting or so.
>
> We might want to put them into the blurb-area as the present in the  
> example below.
>
> <Bild 1.png>
>
> So we need a license which include the right to extend and modify  
> the site-design if needed.
>
> Am 28.04.2008 um 14:39 schrieb Oliver Ruhm:
>
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>>> Does this apply to all images, which we upload into the blurb?
>>
>>
>> If you mean your banners on top, like Grok, Zope-Tagung and Plone  
>> Buttons,
>> it is clear that I won't be the one to do them.
>>
>> But I do not understand: if you take my design, you will not have  
>> those blurbs, will you?
>> If, you'll need another design template for this view.
>>
>> I thought you were thinking about using the same design as the new  
>> Zope.org website.
>>
>> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> Oliver Ruhm
>> +43 664 434 76 54
>> www.wz-bfg.com
>>
>> Be safe with
>> Rhesus Bloodtype Shirts
>> www.rhesus.at
>>
>>
>>
>> <banner-grok.png>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Jan Ulrich Hasecke
>
> -- 
> hasecke.com
> Jan Ulrich Hasecke
> Schubertstr. 4
> 42719 Solingen
>
>


Oliver Ruhm
+43 664 434 76 54
www.wz-bfg.com

Be safe with
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