**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 2 11:39:01 2008 Feb 02 11:39:01 * Now talking on #sciencesprint Feb 02 12:10:21 * esteele (n=esteele@207-255-249-232-dhcp.mif.pa.atlanticbb.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 12:51:07 * martior has quit () Feb 02 12:58:14 * cewing (n=cewing@c-24-19-240-253.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 12:58:28 morning, esteele Feb 02 12:58:39 Hi, cewing. Feb 02 12:58:56 howzit going? Feb 02 12:59:02 Good. You? Feb 02 12:59:26 not bad. My wife just took the kids to the park, so I've got a bit of quiet time for the morning meeting Feb 02 12:59:36 State College airport was iced in all day yesterday, so Erik wasn't able to get out to Davis. Feb 02 12:59:48 He's coming over here and we'll remotely sprint together. Feb 02 12:59:58 Ah, lucky you. :) Feb 02 13:00:25 glad I'm not the only one remote! Feb 02 13:00:29 How's the baby? Feb 02 13:00:46 Sleeping, at the moment. Feb 02 13:01:12 that's great. The first few months they do that a lot Feb 02 13:01:34 we always called it the 'larval stage' Feb 02 13:03:50 esteele: have you seen this? http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/ Feb 02 13:05:19 Nifty. Feb 02 13:13:48 * mikehalm_ (n=mikehalm@72.169.178.237) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:14:22 * ErikRose (n=grinch@207-255-249-232-dhcp.mif.pa.atlanticbb.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:14:31 Hey, cewing! Feb 02 13:14:58 ErikRose: Morning! Feb 02 13:21:19 ErikRose: so I was messing with CMFBiblio last night. Installs fine in v.3 but fails in 2.5.x Have you guys had that experience? Feb 02 13:21:37 cewing: Huh, no. Are you using wichert's branch or the trunk? Feb 02 13:21:50 The trunk works in 2.5, and wichert's branch works in at least 3.0.5. Feb 02 13:21:57 trunk Feb 02 13:22:32 I had a failure on the trunk looking for IFileNameNormalizer in CMFPlone.utills Feb 02 13:22:47 * cewing made me sad :( Feb 02 13:23:19 I must say though, in plone 3 it works like a charm. Very cool stuff Feb 02 13:23:27 cewing: Well, that's wacky. As of about Thursday, the trunk worked only in 2.5. We we going to concentrate on wichert's plone 3 support branch. Feb 02 13:23:36 Did somebody do a merge since then? Feb 02 13:23:36 If we can get it working in tight integration with FSD, we will rock! Feb 02 13:24:01 Whoever fixed my accidental commit to the tag, thank you! Feb 02 13:24:07 Yeah, we have about 20 tickets here I'm working on adding to the tracker (http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/issues/poi_issue_search?state=unconfirmed&state=open&state=in-progress). Feb 02 13:24:08 * esteele feels like an idiot for that one. Feb 02 13:24:09 we are talking about the source in the collective, right? Feb 02 13:24:17 aye Feb 02 13:25:39 whats the url for viewing the collective with history and diffs and such? Feb 02 13:25:46 or is there one? Feb 02 13:25:48 http://dev.plone.org/collective/browser/CMFBibliographyAT/ Feb 02 13:25:58 thanks Feb 02 13:33:10 ErikRose: esteele: are you guys calling the conference call? I'm getting a busy signal Feb 02 13:33:20 Oh, right. I didn't think to try... Feb 02 13:34:07 Ah, that's why... I don't have the number. Feb 02 13:34:23 5402101020 Feb 02 13:35:10 * heureso (n=heureso@c-76-20-43-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:35:32 Thanks! Feb 02 13:36:19 I'm getting a "can't reach that number" message. Feb 02 13:37:18 504-210-1020 Feb 02 13:37:32 But that gets a busy signal. Feb 02 13:37:43 me too on the busy signal Feb 02 13:37:45 herm Feb 02 13:37:49 Anybody else? Feb 02 13:38:03 I'm reading the number right, right? http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/remote-sprint Feb 02 13:41:45 * mikehalm_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 13:43:13 * mikehalm__ (n=mikehalm@72.169.178.237) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:44:35 * esteele sighs. Feb 02 13:44:44 *yawn* Feb 02 13:45:05 anyone in here actually in the room in Davis (heureso??) Feb 02 13:45:28 I sent at tweet at NateA. Hopefully that helps. Feb 02 13:45:35 sadly, no. i came down with the plague between last night and this morning. Feb 02 13:45:44 but i am in comms with the people on site Feb 02 13:45:59 asking about the busy business Feb 02 13:46:03 Ah, great. Feb 02 13:46:06 heureso: thx Feb 02 13:46:31 * ErikRose woots. Feb 02 13:47:12 apparently they are having technical difficulties and have not yet initiated the call. they say to hang on a few. Feb 02 13:47:21 * ErikRose hangs. Feb 02 13:47:51 is dennis harrison on here? Feb 02 13:48:08 guessing not from the nocks. Feb 02 13:48:30 or nicks, even ;-) Feb 02 13:48:52 nick nock paddy-wock give the dig a bane Feb 02 13:52:24 * SteveM (n=SteveM@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:52:55 * kamalgill (n=kamalgil@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:53:04 * hauser (n=hauser@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:53:09 Hi Sprinters Feb 02 13:53:10 ok--those are some on-site ppl Feb 02 13:53:22 We just got IRC on site Feb 02 13:53:30 Hip hip hooray! Feb 02 13:53:31 * martior (n=martior@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:53:34 Had to get past the firewall. Feb 02 13:53:44 any progress on the conference call? Feb 02 13:53:57 Working on it. Feb 02 13:55:10 * siebo (n=siebo@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 13:59:42 * Mazama-jonathan (n=chatzill@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:00:06 Balzs and Raphael are getting here a bit late, but are on the way. Feb 02 14:00:30 * Mazama-jonathan is now known as callahan Feb 02 14:01:13 * limi (n=limi@plone/limi) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:01:30 limi! Feb 02 14:01:38 SteveM! Feb 02 14:01:51 We're doing intros here. Feb 02 14:01:55 SteveM: conference call details are on the wiki somewhere? Feb 02 14:02:19 I think we'll have something for you in a moment. Feb 02 14:02:45 we're waiting for dennisharrison to call in to start the conf call :S Feb 02 14:03:27 cbcunc: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/remote-sprint Feb 02 14:05:48 * geojeff (n=geojeff@97.73.50.182) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:06:18 We're trying to track down Dennis to get the call started. Feb 02 14:07:19 Does that mean the rest of us should call in or that there's nothing to call in to until you find Dennis? Feb 02 14:09:15 esteele, i believe you have it right. Feb 02 14:09:32 heureso: Which part? Feb 02 14:09:38 cewing: thanks Feb 02 14:09:44 that there's nothing to call in to until dennis is found Feb 02 14:09:49 np cbc Feb 02 14:09:51 Ah, ok. Feb 02 14:09:57 We're brainstorming alternatives. Feb 02 14:09:59 (cbcunc) Feb 02 14:10:16 * cewing needs to slow down his fingers Feb 02 14:10:18 The conference call # is actually Dennis'. He was to hook it to the speakerphone here. Feb 02 14:10:45 everyone calling in from US numbers? Feb 02 14:10:52 anyone calling in from outside the US? Feb 02 14:10:57 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:11:09 * hauser has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 14:11:10 natea is setting us up with an alternate conf call line Feb 02 14:11:14 jonstahl! Feb 02 14:11:20 siebo! Feb 02 14:11:26 * natea (n=natea@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:11:56 * hauser (n=hauser@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:12:03 Conf call-in: (712) 775-7100 Feb 02 14:12:05 Participant Access Code: 101775# Feb 02 14:13:15 siebo: Host Access Code: 101775* Feb 02 14:13:20 * wildint (n=madadh@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:13:38 i'm the first caller on. listening to on hold music. Feb 02 14:13:51 Free Conference Recording Feb 02 14:13:51 Subscriber PIN code: 303319# Feb 02 14:13:51 To start recording, host hits: 9, then the PIN Feb 02 14:13:51 To stop recording, host hits: 9 Feb 02 14:14:18 Hi Chris Feb 02 14:14:46 We're starting to have people join Feb 02 14:14:48 Thanks, Nate! Feb 02 14:15:02 natea FTW! Feb 02 14:15:15 we can get a video stream going too Feb 02 14:15:19 we're live on the conf call. Dial in if you want to connect Feb 02 14:15:23 * ErikRose woots a second time. Feb 02 14:15:50 Hi Jeff Feb 02 14:16:14 SteveM: yo Feb 02 14:16:43 Conference call folks: All we've really done so far is introductions. Feb 02 14:17:10 that's good, you want us to jump in and say Hi? Feb 02 14:17:29 Please Feb 02 14:18:24 Wet and cool here. Feb 02 14:18:46 Everyone on call that wants to be? Feb 02 14:19:06 Can you here? Feb 02 14:19:10 hear? Feb 02 14:19:10 Yes, it's working. Feb 02 14:19:15 it's a bit soft for me Feb 02 14:19:15 Thanks, SteveM Feb 02 14:19:24 David speaking now. Feb 02 14:19:26 Oh, is someone talking? Feb 02 14:19:29 I can't hear him at all. Feb 02 14:19:39 ask him to speak up or get closer to the mic Feb 02 14:19:40 * geojeff hikes out for a cell phone signal :) Feb 02 14:19:44 That's better. Feb 02 14:19:45 David shifting near phone Feb 02 14:19:48 good Feb 02 14:19:49 Even better would be better still. Feb 02 14:19:55 * geojeff is now known as geojeff_hike Feb 02 14:22:02 quietquietquietquietCEWINGTALKINGREALLYLOUD Feb 02 14:22:18 esteele: many apologies Feb 02 14:22:29 Naw, it's fine. Feb 02 14:22:30 I like it.:-) Feb 02 14:23:24 Jonathan speaking Feb 02 14:23:35 thx Feb 02 14:24:03 Kevin Wolf responding Feb 02 14:24:25 Clarifying some thesaurus needs for environmental work Feb 02 14:25:02 David speaking Feb 02 14:25:56 cewing speaking Feb 02 14:26:00 quicktime stream at rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp Feb 02 14:26:54 Nice. :) Feb 02 14:26:59 stream looks great, natea! Feb 02 14:27:01 Alex speaking Feb 02 14:27:25 May be a sample taxonomic database available Feb 02 14:27:33 Kevin speaking Feb 02 14:28:33 This is some very creative camera work. Feb 02 14:28:34 kevin suggests that a species related taxonomy might be a good problem domain Feb 02 14:28:41 sorry, trying to get the tripod setup Feb 02 14:28:44 Jonathan speaking Feb 02 14:29:00 Wordnet is a great taxonomy project, for those not aware of it. Feb 02 14:29:05 * cewing feels a little woozy Feb 02 14:29:37 David speaking Feb 02 14:29:42 It's basically a free expansion of Roget's thesaurus: synonyms, hyper- and hyponyms, but also meronyms and melonyms. Feb 02 14:30:22 I'm sure they've run into and solved a lot of ontological problems. Feb 02 14:31:03 Erik - want to say something about that? Feb 02 14:31:16 * natea has changed the topic to: Sprint planning - http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/ | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp Feb 02 14:32:36 http://wordnet.princeton.edu/ Feb 02 14:32:50 * zedr (n=zedr@host130-135-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:32:55 * esteele (n=esteele@207-255-249-232-dhcp.mif.pa.atlanticbb.net) has left #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:32:58 * esteele (n=esteele@207-255-249-232-dhcp.mif.pa.atlanticbb.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:33:10 http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sprint&sub=Search+WordNet&o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&h=0000000000 Feb 02 14:33:18 Examples going up on whiteboard Feb 02 14:34:04 callahan: i see you! Feb 02 14:34:15 David speaking Feb 02 14:35:22 Kevin speaking Feb 02 14:35:37 * cewing agrees entirely with David's thoughts here Feb 02 14:35:45 (Kevin is a domain knowledge expert on environmental projects) Feb 02 14:36:53 Use cases: Feb 02 14:37:03 key word entry - light weight - cvs import Feb 02 14:37:09 ajax search for users Feb 02 14:37:20 site managers need to be able to fixup Feb 02 14:37:21 concurrent versioning sys? Feb 02 14:37:21 SteveM: i did some brainstorming on this a while back: http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/archives/2007/06/26/plone-taxonomy-revisted/ Feb 02 14:37:59 ErikRose: csv, I think. Feb 02 14:38:02 ah Feb 02 14:38:10 Nate has suggested we get a projector up and look at examples Feb 02 14:38:54 Need API to publish keywords Feb 02 14:39:31 david: might be starting with someone else's keywords Feb 02 14:40:06 May need keyword vocabs from various sources Feb 02 14:40:09 * oferw (n=chatzill@bzq-79-180-238-96.red.bezeqint.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:40:52 Alex: this should be not an API, but a standard like RSS (for subscribing) Feb 02 14:41:00 * jaseach (n=jchamm@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:41:04 Michael: RDF? Feb 02 14:41:19 How are APIs and "standards" ontologically related? ;-) Feb 02 14:41:43 I'd say they aren't. Feb 02 14:41:48 * jaseach has quit (Client Quit) Feb 02 14:42:16 I'd submit that an API is a type of standard. Feb 02 14:42:16 http://www.openplans.org/projects/yucca/project-home Feb 02 14:42:27 (that a body of programs conforms to) Feb 02 14:43:00 pronunciation of "yucca" discussed. Feb 02 14:43:02 ;) Feb 02 14:43:08 *googles* Feb 02 14:43:23 yerba mate Feb 02 14:43:31 * jcham (n=jchamm@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:43:37 The sound over the stream is much better, but I'm still trying to figure out how much delay there is. :) Feb 02 14:43:39 http://www.rosettaproject.org/ is using Yucca Feb 02 14:43:40 desert plant of the southwest. Feb 02 14:43:48 Around a dozen seconds, I think Feb 02 14:43:58 esteele: about three secs Feb 02 14:45:03 Nate is going to demo on projector Feb 02 14:45:16 taking a moment to set up. Feb 02 14:45:22 Will try to stream video Feb 02 14:45:29 I'll try to type URLs here Feb 02 14:45:39 Really appreciate it, SteveM! Feb 02 14:45:39 you're doing a great job, SteveM! Feb 02 14:45:49 Nate is trying to destroy his camera Feb 02 14:46:00 He's doing a fine job as well. :-) Feb 02 14:46:44 Still just setting up projector and stream. Got to move the camera to get the screen. Feb 02 14:47:09 kids just got back from the park. Getting hard to hear in here Feb 02 14:47:13 You remote sprinters are missing the fancy badges Feb 02 14:47:55 * ErikRose has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Feb 02 14:47:56 * esteele has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Feb 02 14:48:12 * kamalgill has quit ("Leaving") Feb 02 14:48:15 * ErikRose (n=grinch@207-255-249-232-dhcp.mif.pa.atlanticbb.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:48:17 * esteele (n=esteele@207-255-249-232-dhcp.mif.pa.atlanticbb.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:48:17 ErikRose - hero of the DocComm card sort! Feb 02 14:48:29 * ErikRose blushes. Feb 02 14:48:31 :) Feb 02 14:48:33 http://plone.org/events/regional/plone-symposium-2008 Feb 02 14:48:36 mikehalm! Feb 02 14:48:37 w3c work on knowledge organization (e.g., thesauri) at http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/ Feb 02 14:48:40 Hey, limi. Didn't see you come in. Feb 02 14:48:51 I want a fancy badge! Feb 02 14:48:57 Pardon the crappy page. Feb 02 14:49:04 We're working on that. Feb 02 14:49:26 Matthew Lange just arrived Feb 02 14:49:39 video of screen just came into good focus Feb 02 14:49:40 Wow. Delay is about 90 seconds now. Feb 02 14:49:50 Nate has http://rosettaproject.org on the screen Feb 02 14:49:53 * geojeff_hike is now known as geojeff Feb 02 14:50:42 * dennisharrison (n=dennisha@71-15-47-17.dhcp.thbd.la.charter.com) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:50:44 Is the screen basically visible? Feb 02 14:50:50 to the stream? Feb 02 14:50:51 Just a blue blob here. Feb 02 14:50:53 no--just a big blur Feb 02 14:50:54 Is anything supposed to be on it? Feb 02 14:51:02 there you go Feb 02 14:51:02 rosetta project Feb 02 14:51:11 * ErikRose just goes to the URL. Feb 02 14:51:16 good idea Feb 02 14:51:26 Can you hear nate? Feb 02 14:51:26 * kamalgill (n=kamalgil@sssa072.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 14:51:30 yep! Feb 02 14:51:32 An IRC bot that follows a browser window, pasting URLs all the while, would be useful. Feb 02 14:51:45 True. Feb 02 14:51:51 Next sprint ;-) Feb 02 14:52:03 nate is showing off rosetta's graphical taxonomy view Feb 02 14:52:12 language classification Feb 02 14:52:22 ok got the video stream up Feb 02 14:52:26 language drill down Feb 02 14:52:27 cbcunc: cheers Feb 02 14:52:33 dennisharrison! Feb 02 14:52:38 SteveM, ! ;p Feb 02 14:53:00 Example of pre-defined hierarchy Feb 02 14:53:06 it woudn't suck if the browser font size got pushed up one notch, if that's possible. Feb 02 14:53:11 Rosetta uses YUCCA project Feb 02 14:53:41 http://www.openplans.org/projects/yucca Feb 02 14:53:55 sounds like it's python-based Feb 02 14:54:12 yeah SteveM it is Feb 02 14:54:29 whit morris maintains tagger Feb 02 14:54:32 Would somebody mind pointing the phone at him? Feb 02 14:54:49 Nate now showing http://plone.tv Feb 02 14:54:51 this natea talking? Feb 02 14:54:58 k Feb 02 14:55:05 plone tagging is a wrapper for lovely.tag Feb 02 14:55:17 Yes, that's nate talking Feb 02 14:55:43 Nate is showing how tags get added to plone.tv Feb 02 14:56:05 Distinguishes tags by owner from user tags Feb 02 14:56:15 sorry folks, I'm going to have to run. Crying kids need attention :( Feb 02 14:56:18 Supplies personalization Feb 02 14:56:26 I'll check in later today during naptime! Feb 02 14:56:43 http://mediaresearchhub.ssrc.org/resource-database Feb 02 14:56:46 Ooo, is there an official sprint naptime? Feb 02 14:56:46 you guys looked at ? http://developer.yahoo.com/search/content/V1/termExtraction.html Feb 02 14:56:57 ErikRose, right after cookie and juice ;p Feb 02 14:57:02 didn't you bring your mat? Feb 02 14:57:03 Excellent. Feb 02 14:57:10 All I need is a warm Macbook. Feb 02 14:57:16 * limi hopes he'll be there in time for the cookies Feb 02 14:57:20 lol Feb 02 14:57:27 * cewing has quit () Feb 02 14:57:43 work break ;p Feb 02 14:58:02 * limi has quit ("-> Science Sprint") Feb 02 14:58:43 dennisharrison: Are you on conference call? Feb 02 14:58:51 SteveM, not yet, looking for the number Feb 02 14:59:06 http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/remote-sprint Feb 02 14:59:19 the number there is one from my phone system Feb 02 14:59:45 siebo: Conf call-in: (712) 775-7100 Feb 02 14:59:46 Participant Access Code: 101775# Feb 02 14:59:48 siebo: Host Access Code: 101775* Feb 02 14:59:52 coming in now Feb 02 15:00:29 i lost the stream. anyone else? Feb 02 15:00:42 heureso: Mine's still fine. Feb 02 15:00:44 i have it Feb 02 15:00:46 still steaming here Feb 02 15:00:57 now I lost it Feb 02 15:00:59 Now I've lost it. Feb 02 15:01:00 still streaming Feb 02 15:01:06 cbcunc: No fair. Feb 02 15:01:08 "It says it's still broadca" *silence* Feb 02 15:01:10 http://del.icio.us/tag/sciencesprint Feb 02 15:01:14 hehe Feb 02 15:01:32 what app was last in use there? Feb 02 15:01:45 I turned away for a second, the one to add all the tags? Feb 02 15:01:48 "Things" Feb 02 15:01:58 os x app Feb 02 15:02:05 Annnnnd I'm back. Video, no audio. Feb 02 15:02:24 i quit quicktime and restarted and got the stream back Feb 02 15:02:30 cbcunc: rock! Feb 02 15:02:35 ErikRose, it is back on Feb 02 15:03:15 David talking Feb 02 15:04:07 David: are we talking multiple tools? Or something both generally and specifically useful? Feb 02 15:04:29 Who joined? Feb 02 15:04:57 Nate is showing flickr geo interface Feb 02 15:05:02 I joined. Feb 02 15:05:06 I gave up on the stream audio. Feb 02 15:05:22 * ErikRose needs a phone with a limiter! Feb 02 15:05:45 Nate is showing annotation of a flickr map with a photo Feb 02 15:05:59 podcasts? Feb 02 15:06:31 Nate: metadata entry must be very easy. Even tabs stop people. Feb 02 15:06:41 especially for students Feb 02 15:07:25 I can't hear anything from the conf call SteveM Feb 02 15:07:36 kevin wolf talking. Feb 02 15:07:50 I think it's hard to hear unless the speaker's on top of the phone. Feb 02 15:07:59 That's part of why I'm narrating. Feb 02 15:08:03 Agreed. Feb 02 15:08:07 Thanks SteveM. Feb 02 15:08:35 The feed audio is much better, but it's choppy and delayed. So if we're a bit behind things, please be patient. :) Feb 02 15:08:37 Matthew speaking Feb 02 15:09:08 Matthew: we need to be able to tag groups of objects with a single action. Feb 02 15:09:27 no doubt Feb 02 15:09:33 Alex: be able to tag a folder or smart folder's contents Feb 02 15:09:46 hi mom Feb 02 15:09:57 martin: that would be a new interface Feb 02 15:10:06 an addition to search Feb 02 15:10:10 for admins Feb 02 15:10:32 There was a product that came out about 6mo ago, regexpfolders, I think? Feb 02 15:10:35 dennisharrison: http://culturedcode.com/things/ Feb 02 15:10:36 tick search results -> tag them Feb 02 15:10:44 Seems like it might be along those lines. Feb 02 15:10:45 natea, thanks :) Feb 02 15:10:52 watch the screencast Feb 02 15:10:57 esteele, you got that to work? Feb 02 15:11:08 dennisharrison: No, I just remember hearing about it. Feb 02 15:11:16 esteele, never had it working :( Feb 02 15:11:25 Ah. Well never mind then. :) Feb 02 15:11:37 Kevin speaking - example: you might need to update a date on all of a bactch Feb 02 15:11:39 another simple example of geocoding http://wildev.no-ip.org/multiple3.html similar to flickr Feb 02 15:12:15 Jonathan just spoke on need to express hierarchical relations Feb 02 15:12:19 * heureso has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 15:12:45 * heureso (n=heureso@c-76-20-43-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:12:54 Nate: alecm has demonstrated some of that: PloneApRelation Feb 02 15:13:00 sounds like a better version of relations Feb 02 15:13:11 The readme for that is fascinating. Feb 02 15:13:40 Matthew: we need named relations -- not just relations Feb 02 15:13:42 like a new relationtype Feb 02 15:13:56 Matthew: give users the ability to name relations Feb 02 15:14:12 * limi (n=limi@plone/limi) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:14:14 you can learn more about plone.app.relations by watching Alec's presentation at the PloneConf - http://plone.tv/media/450464667 Feb 02 15:14:16 http://svn.zope.de/plone.org/plone/plone.app.relations/trunk/plone/app/relations/README.txt Feb 02 15:14:17 should be handled via title already right? Feb 02 15:14:45 see the slides here - http://www.slideshare.net/wooda/alec-mitchell-relationship-building-defining-and-querying-complex-relationships-between-your-content Feb 02 15:14:54 hi guys situation changed a bit, so I'll have to stay in SF this weekend. sorry! Feb 02 15:14:55 ErikRose, aren't you using relations right now for fsd? Feb 02 15:15:07 dennisharrison: yes Feb 02 15:15:10 * limi was literally heading out the door Feb 02 15:15:24 ErikRose, does it allow for naming relations ? Feb 02 15:15:26 limi: You and me both! I even got to the airport. Feb 02 15:15:28 dennisharrison: Yes Feb 02 15:15:35 ErikRose: wow Feb 02 15:15:37 dennisharrison: Or at least they have a textual id Feb 02 15:15:57 ErikRose, ah hah, I am logging Feb 02 15:15:58 dennisharrison: You can hang an object off the relationship itself and put whatever you want in there as well. Feb 02 15:16:09 I have a bot. Feb 02 15:16:13 I'll bring him in here. Feb 02 15:16:26 Raphael and Balazs are in the building Feb 02 15:16:31 in the room Feb 02 15:16:39 ErikRose: Make sure people are alright with that. Feb 02 15:16:41 Hi, Balazs! Feb 02 15:16:52 Votes on me logging, anyway? Feb 02 15:17:05 I'd just stick the transcripts up like http://weblion.psu.edu/chatlogs/2008/01/ Feb 02 15:17:08 Jonathan was volunteering to log Feb 02 15:17:10 ErikRose, that is fantastic :) Building a contact management product right now, and just started to try and jam relations in there, also trying to get atseng to work right in plone3 ... Feb 02 15:17:21 Somewhat. Feb 02 15:17:22 I am! Feb 02 15:17:23 was Feb 02 15:17:25 Cutting of conference call. Feb 02 15:17:36 We may be moving rooms soon. Feb 02 15:17:48 dennisharrison: The secret is to call process(). Feb 02 15:17:52 Ok. We couldn't hear a thing through that anyway. :) Feb 02 15:17:55 dennisharrison: Save yourself a lot of pain. :-) Feb 02 15:18:06 ErikRose, for relations? Feb 02 15:18:12 * callahan has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") Feb 02 15:18:15 dennisharrison: Yes. Here, I'll paste you some tests... Feb 02 15:18:26 ErikRose, awww man I love you ;p Feb 02 15:18:34 I love you to. ;-) Feb 02 15:18:35 too Feb 02 15:18:38 lol! Feb 02 15:18:41 you logging this yeah? Feb 02 15:18:53 if so I am going to stay lazy and not dump this file somewhere Feb 02 15:19:00 Not yet. I'm waiting for Jonathan to not do it. Feb 02 15:19:05 ahh ok Feb 02 15:19:26 * kamalgill has quit ("Leaving") Feb 02 15:19:34 dennisharrison: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/weblion/FacultyStaffDirectory/trunk/tests/testPerson.py#L402 Feb 02 15:19:55 And, will re-establish communications after move Feb 02 15:20:01 hoorah! Feb 02 15:20:06 So, back in touch soon. Feb 02 15:20:10 * SteveM has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 02 15:20:11 huzzah! Feb 02 15:20:17 :) Feb 02 15:20:40 dennisharrison: A big wish for us is a more user-friendly ReferenceBrowserWidget. Feb 02 15:20:50 what happened? we get kicked out like a late rent room mate? ;p Feb 02 15:20:53 At least one of our users hates that. Feb 02 15:21:00 Like yesterday's trash Feb 02 15:21:17 ErikRose: That problem got fixed in Plone 3. Feb 02 15:21:23 Hooray! Feb 02 15:21:39 speaking of plone 3 Feb 02 15:21:55 anyone else run into problems reordering folder contents? Feb 02 15:22:03 because folder_contents paginates Feb 02 15:22:08 * siebo has quit ("going upstairs") Feb 02 15:22:22 * dennisharrison sings, movin' on uuuuppp Feb 02 15:22:44 * natea has quit () Feb 02 15:23:13 I am about to commit folderlister to add a toggle for 'show all' in folder_contents Feb 02 15:23:15 * martior has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 15:23:37 but I really think I should set it so you can specify how many per page Feb 02 15:24:51 That's cool. Paging is soooo 1990s, though. Things should magically load dynamically as you get near them. Feb 02 15:25:05 Don't ask me how to mess with the scroll bar widget to accomodate that, though. Feb 02 15:25:15 * hauser has quit () Feb 02 15:25:36 ErikRose, that is such an awesome idea Feb 02 15:25:43 We could just punt and have the previous items load in as you drag an item upward, under the same conditions that the Mac Finder scrolls the window. Feb 02 15:25:48 I need to invent the 28 hour day ;p Feb 02 15:25:54 I would subscribe! Feb 02 15:25:54 Kind of like that Google auto-pager greasemonkey script. :) Feb 02 15:26:04 hrmm Feb 02 15:26:08 yes, But with less disorientation Feb 02 15:26:15 I mean, totally sounds like a job for kss Feb 02 15:26:22 Yep, KSS for sure. Feb 02 15:26:24 would need to rewire folder_contents for sure Feb 02 15:26:27 I am so in Feb 02 15:26:32 You'd need good animation to help people keep their place. Feb 02 15:26:44 ErikRose, use color Feb 02 15:26:58 ErikRose, fade in either direction up and down Feb 02 15:27:21 I mean really it wouldn't be that 'hard' Feb 02 15:27:23 Yes, or use a compression and expansion effect. Feb 02 15:27:25 I would just want to do it right Feb 02 15:27:58 The previous 10 are all smashed vertically and expand as you get near them, accordianlike, leaving the previous-er 10 smashed. Feb 02 15:28:09 ErikRose, think the average computer could handle that much cranking on poor little firefox? Feb 02 15:28:15 Ala Jef Raskin's zooming interface Feb 02 15:28:22 dennisharrison: Probably no sweat Feb 02 15:28:54 ErikRose, that is good to hear, because everytime I try and use javascript for something sexy I wind up crippling anything under a 2ghz machine Feb 02 15:29:02 usually only on scroll though Feb 02 15:29:07 Not sure how to go about the text-to-image translation that would hopefully not be necessary ;-) Feb 02 15:29:20 ErikRose, that would be easy Feb 02 15:29:30 Maybe there's a little-used CSS selctor for vertical smash-age that I don't know about. Feb 02 15:29:41 ErikRose, we have done that already for headings and such Feb 02 15:29:46 Really?! Feb 02 15:29:51 yeah Feb 02 15:29:58 you give it a font Feb 02 15:30:07 tell it what tags to attack Feb 02 15:30:35 it loads the page, renders the images based on the dom, then sets the image inside the tag and indents the text to -9999em Feb 02 15:30:49 dennisharrison: SIFR? Feb 02 15:30:58 esteele, wasn't using flash Feb 02 15:31:00 but similar Feb 02 15:31:01 Ah. Feb 02 15:31:05 using pngs Feb 02 15:31:18 I know it is better to use flash for selection Feb 02 15:31:31 Never thought I'd hear anybody say that ;-) Feb 02 15:31:32 but since the text was indented it would still work for 'finding' Feb 02 15:31:40 ErikRose, lol no joke huh? Feb 02 15:31:51 but we were (of course) crunched for time Feb 02 15:32:04 So I'm still not getting it: how do you translate text into an image on the client side? Feb 02 15:32:05 and I know zilch about flash Feb 02 15:32:24 ErikRose, you do it server side actually ;p Feb 02 15:32:28 Oh. Feb 02 15:32:33 That might be a little intense. Feb 02 15:32:40 the script uses params client side Feb 02 15:32:48 Perhaps we could do the prototype with just greeked-out lines. Feb 02 15:32:53 so like this object is how big? ok I will render the contents of blah to x, y Feb 02 15:33:01 That would be, frankly, as effective for communicating with the user, I bet. Feb 02 15:33:31 Imagine something like this, but flipped 90 (ASCII is hard): Feb 02 15:33:40 | | | Feb 02 15:33:49 hrmm yeah I mean, it wasn't giving us any issues when we had it for h1's and h2's Feb 02 15:33:53 || || || Feb 02 15:34:00 |||| |||| |||| Feb 02 15:34:08 And then it turns into the actual lines of text. Feb 02 15:34:17 * martior_ (n=martior@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:34:21 (Those 3 things I typed are frames of animation.) Feb 02 15:34:38 * hauser (n=hauser@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:34:38 yeah I can see that Feb 02 15:35:00 Okay, maybe you could even get away with the real thing, then. The trick is to get low latency. Feb 02 15:35:26 ErikRose, well I think the way to do it would be to dump everything in place into the right class Feb 02 15:35:29 .1 to .05s is pretty much the range you need for a UI to be perceived as responsive. Feb 02 15:35:32 and kss the views Feb 02 15:35:47 brb Feb 02 15:35:49 * jcha1 (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:35:49 * bitmonk (n=justizin@dsl092-012-025.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:35:53 should be able to toggle classes really quick eh? Feb 02 15:37:11 bitmonk, ! Feb 02 15:37:17 * SteveM (n=SteveM@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:37:19 w00t, science! Feb 02 15:37:25 ;p Feb 02 15:37:58 * siebo (n=siebo@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:38:04 We've moved to the 9th floor, and have a beautiful room Feb 02 15:38:16 * dbfrombrc (n=dbfrombr@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:38:25 great Feb 02 15:38:30 hey hey Feb 02 15:38:34 hi Feb 02 15:38:36 * ree (n=ree@oily.greenfinity.hu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:38:37 SteveM, with a view? Feb 02 15:38:40 hey ree Feb 02 15:38:48 hi dbfrombrc Feb 02 15:38:50 it was the tallest building in yolo county, until the new highrise in west sacramento. Feb 02 15:38:52 Nate's off doing something. We'll re-establish the stream (hopefully) when he's back Feb 02 15:38:56 dennisharrison: Yes, classes would be great, if you can do all the shrinking fast enough on the server side. Feb 02 15:38:58 Yes, we have a view Feb 02 15:39:11 ErikRose, well once you have the image no need to shrink it server side Feb 02 15:39:19 SteveM, fantastic ;p Feb 02 15:39:31 dennisharrison: Are you assuming that you can reuse the images from user to user? Feb 02 15:39:57 ErikRose, no, you create the images as the page loads Feb 02 15:40:03 hrmm Feb 02 15:40:10 or better yet Feb 02 15:40:14 images is dumb for this Feb 02 15:40:32 Right, we could probably get away with just font sizes. Feb 02 15:40:32 just change the font size and letter spacing Feb 02 15:40:41 Bingo. Feb 02 15:40:58 esteele just made a handy parallel with the OS X Dock. Feb 02 15:41:05 it sounds like we would be brutalizing the poor browser ;p Feb 02 15:41:14 bravo esteele ;p Feb 02 15:41:20 To hell with the browser. Avoid brutalizing the poor user. :-) Feb 02 15:41:27 lol Feb 02 15:41:29 no doubt Feb 02 15:41:35 I am very interested Feb 02 15:41:36 You can't even reorder your folders, for crying out loud! Feb 02 15:41:47 yeah, that is a bummer Feb 02 15:41:51 and this would be a nifty solution Feb 02 15:42:00 and of course .. reuseable (thank you kss) Feb 02 15:42:19 so imagine ordering a wedding registry or something Feb 02 15:42:21 etc etc Feb 02 15:42:57 Yes, heavy on the etc. Feb 02 15:43:07 :) Feb 02 15:43:15 well going back to relations for a sec Feb 02 15:43:16 I think it's time for me to actually do something. Feb 02 15:43:18 looking into it further Feb 02 15:43:23 this looks really 'tight' Feb 02 15:43:25 Or we can talk about that. Feb 02 15:43:26 * grahamperrin (i=grahampe@bb-87-81-165-9.ukonline.co.uk) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:43:31 tight how? Feb 02 15:43:37 very useable ootb Feb 02 15:43:55 I like the ttw interface it presents as well Feb 02 15:43:56 What, relations? Feb 02 15:43:59 yeah Feb 02 15:44:14 Yeah, it gives you a bunch of UI for free. Feb 02 15:44:18 Carol is reportedly getting us lunch. Feb 02 15:44:20 Not too many bugs either. Feb 02 15:44:34 * wildint has quit (No route to host) Feb 02 15:44:35 * wildint-couch (n=madadh@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:44:39 as long as I go directly to process? ;p Feb 02 15:44:40 SteveM: My address is 304 W College Ave. Can you put mayo on mine? Feb 02 15:44:55 hah Feb 02 15:45:14 ErikRose, aren't you the guys who are doing kerberos in zope? Feb 02 15:45:14 ErikRose: If you assure me you'll eat it when it gets to you. Feb 02 15:45:15 dennisharrison: Just use RelationFields in your schema, and you'll be fine. Feb 02 15:45:30 dennisharrison: process() comes in only if you need to relate things programmatically, like in test cases. Feb 02 15:45:37 dennisharrison: Yep, that was me. Feb 02 15:45:39 SteveM, ErikRose have you seen the cheeseburger in a can? Feb 02 15:45:50 SteveM: lol, send dry ice Feb 02 15:46:03 I have not, dennisharrison Feb 02 15:46:16 ErikRose: Sorry, none handy. You'll just have to chance the mayo. Feb 02 15:46:18 http://gizmodo.com/351304/cheeseburger-in-a-can-reviewed Feb 02 15:46:34 * jcham has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Feb 02 15:46:35 Win some, lose some Feb 02 15:47:15 * geojeff is now known as geojeff|afk Feb 02 15:47:32 Raphael's starting an intro. Feb 02 15:47:41 Nate's working on stream Feb 02 15:47:43 dennisharrison: Hrrrm. :-) Feb 02 15:48:06 yeah ... doesnt THAT look de-freaking-licious? Feb 02 15:48:51 Got the stream? Feb 02 15:49:12 SteveM, yes Feb 02 15:49:26 but audio is very quiet Feb 02 15:49:42 Sounds alright to me here. Feb 02 15:49:43 rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp Feb 02 15:49:48 for anyone who doesn't have it Feb 02 15:49:52 video is great and i can hear him well Feb 02 15:49:55 hi, raphael! Feb 02 15:49:57 Type quieter. Feb 02 15:49:59 Yes, kudos! Feb 02 15:50:03 * natea (n=natea@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 15:50:07 >>sorry<< Feb 02 15:50:18 lol Feb 02 15:50:39 Balazs in introducing himself Feb 02 15:51:07 tell him to use his voice from his stomach :) Feb 02 15:51:17 carol is walking into the building with food now Feb 02 15:51:26 yay food! Feb 02 15:51:37 * ErikRose wants to KSSify CMFBib. Feb 02 15:51:43 this is so cool. raphael and balazs streaming from california. Feb 02 15:52:20 * dennisharrison wants to kss everything Feb 02 15:53:30 Huge improvement in the stream now that you're upstairs. Feb 02 15:53:34 And as I say that, it dies. Feb 02 15:53:37 oops Feb 02 15:53:41 Thanks a LOT. Feb 02 15:53:53 esteele: camera powered off, should be back on now... Feb 02 15:53:55 time for cheeseburger Feb 02 15:54:05 in a can? Feb 02 15:54:05 i can has cheezburger? Feb 02 15:54:18 i can has canned cheeseburger Feb 02 15:54:40 video back Feb 02 15:56:46 http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-bird-steals-ice-cream-cone.jpg Feb 02 15:57:09 lol Feb 02 15:58:46 Who's talking? Feb 02 15:58:46 Who's currently talking? Feb 02 15:58:51 Martin Feb 02 15:58:52 * esteele wins. Feb 02 15:59:02 Next time, esteele! Next time! Feb 02 15:59:21 ErikRose won in my window Feb 02 15:59:26 WoohoO! Feb 02 15:59:29 Jonathan talking Feb 02 15:59:35 Mine too,a ctually Feb 02 15:59:44 what is in the bag next to him? Feb 02 15:59:46 looks .... Feb 02 15:59:49 questionable Feb 02 15:59:49 Gremlins Feb 02 16:00:00 Almonds Feb 02 16:00:05 Maybe it's Yerba Mate. Feb 02 16:00:11 ahh, almonds rock ;p Feb 02 16:00:16 Jason talking Feb 02 16:00:21 can't hear him at all Feb 02 16:00:35 Long way from camera Feb 02 16:00:50 Now it's Jonathan. It was Michael a moment ago. Feb 02 16:01:02 Jonathan's here from Seattle. Feb 02 16:01:18 Alex now speaking. Feb 02 16:01:34 One of the Davis crew. Knows a lot of geo tech. Feb 02 16:01:40 Kamal talking Feb 02 16:01:43 Yay! Another geographer. :) Feb 02 16:02:02 Kamal's leading the "cheat sheet" topic Feb 02 16:02:05 * wildint-couch is now known as wildint-sprint Feb 02 16:02:35 * jonstahl has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 16:02:51 who is talking about the cheat sheet? Feb 02 16:03:00 That was Kamal Feb 02 16:03:04 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:03:06 oh, yeah, sorry Feb 02 16:03:10 Carol now talking. She's our network goddess Feb 02 16:03:15 Jeff is helping her. Feb 02 16:03:19 Food has arrived. Feb 02 16:03:24 Nate talking. Feb 02 16:03:35 He's doing the stream. Feb 02 16:03:51 ErikRose: Nate is interested in faculty/staff directory Feb 02 16:03:57 Woohoo! Feb 02 16:04:04 Will you read our intro if we paste it, SteveM? Feb 02 16:04:11 Sure Feb 02 16:04:42 StdeveM: Eric and I work at the WebLion group, a sort of internal consultancy at Penn State University. One of our big projects is a higher-ed-focused personnel directory product called FacultyStaffDirectory. Feb 02 16:04:46 SteveM, that is Feb 02 16:05:01 At this sprint, we'd like to make using CMFBibliographyAT with FacultyStaffDirectory smooth and easy. Feb 02 16:05:13 Does anyone mind me listening in? (I picked the link from #plone - interested) Feb 02 16:05:15 gonna put you on projector. Feb 02 16:05:23 Thanks, Steve! Feb 02 16:05:23 grahamperrin: welcome Feb 02 16:05:31 thanks :) and the stream is superb Feb 02 16:05:41 grahamperrin: we may put you to work though ;) Feb 02 16:05:48 channel is on projector Feb 02 16:05:55 Hi everybody! Feb 02 16:06:03 Do I need to start over, or can you see the scrollback? Feb 02 16:06:17 we've got scrollback Feb 02 16:06:41 So, we're happy to help anybody (nate) who wants to work on the FacultyStaffDirectory. Feb 02 16:06:43 URL for weblion? Feb 02 16:06:50 weblion.psu.edu/wiki Feb 02 16:07:35 We're going to be trying to do a fair amount of UI and polishing work on CMFBib this week. Feb 02 16:07:51 We're so thrilled Raphael is here. Feb 02 16:07:58 ack, customer still missing 3 months of financial data, what a horrible weekend Feb 02 16:08:00 We'll be bothering him a lot. :-) Feb 02 16:08:00 bbl Feb 02 16:08:13 Also, we'll likely be bothering Balazs toward getting CMFBib KSS_ified. Feb 02 16:08:14 Any other remote sprinters want to introduce themselves? Feb 02 16:08:16 930 gigs you think I would have restored everything :( Feb 02 16:08:43 * mateolan (n=mateolan@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:08:48 is the stream online? Feb 02 16:08:55 zedr: yes Feb 02 16:09:01 hmmm.. strange Feb 02 16:09:07 * ErikRose pimps: Feb 02 16:09:27 * cbcunc is Chris Calloway from University of North Carolina Dept of Marine Sciences. Feb 02 16:09:29 Higher-ed science presentations are in big demand at Plone Symposium East! Feb 02 16:09:44 stream reception is excellent thanks natea Feb 02 16:09:45 We're probably going to break for lunch Feb 02 16:09:50 ErikRose, what's the date on that Feb 02 16:10:07 Please see if Kamal will join the channel. Feb 02 16:10:18 For presentations, March 12-13. For sprints, wider than that. http://plone.org/events/regional/plone-symposium-2008 Feb 02 16:10:25 cbcunc: He's working on it Feb 02 16:10:43 We've basically got 9 days open for sprinting if anyone is interested. Feb 02 16:10:55 (Around the Symposium) Feb 02 16:10:58 lots of space, lots of bandwidth Feb 02 16:11:03 Food break happening. Feb 02 16:11:06 Lots of bars. Feb 02 16:11:19 Feb 02 16:11:46 * heureso is Jeremy Smith from the UCD Center for Mind and Brain. I am currently i bed and passing in and out of a Theraflu coma, but had planned on being physically present. Feb 02 16:12:00 Get well, heureso! Feb 02 16:12:15 grahamperrin: glad to hear it's working for you Feb 02 16:12:35 natea: Feel free to ping us about anything FSD. Feb 02 16:12:40 lighting isn't so great in this room due to backlighting from bay windows Feb 02 16:12:45 We're thrilled at your interest! Feb 02 16:13:11 lighting gets better when you zoom in on face. Feb 02 16:13:33 natea: no worries, we have similar backlighting issues with our Access Grid node. The very good quality audio is much more valuable. Feb 02 16:13:42 btw, natea, thanks for this video feed. this is awesome. Feb 02 16:14:11 Yeah, the audio is valuable even now, during the free-for-all. Feb 02 16:17:05 * grahamperrin overhears 'taxonomies' Feb 02 16:17:13 * grahamperrin wonders whether anyone is using haystack Feb 02 16:17:19 This telepresence thing is pretty good. Feb 02 16:17:19 So what's for lunch today? Feb 02 16:17:29 All I need is for somebody present to iChat video me and turn their lappie around. Feb 02 16:18:39 esteele: fettucini with pesto Feb 02 16:18:49 in a can Feb 02 16:18:54 Heh. Feb 02 16:18:54 hi steve!~ Feb 02 16:19:02 Lunch here is burritos Feb 02 16:19:17 ErikRose: Sadly, no mayo Feb 02 16:19:18 SteveM won a medal, apparently. Feb 02 16:19:21 This is like being HAL. Feb 02 16:19:27 Ah, that's a lanyard. Feb 02 16:19:30 only about a 5 second video lag here aparently Feb 02 16:19:36 for Best Narrator EVAR Feb 02 16:20:04 How about a nice game of Global Thermonuclear War? Feb 02 16:20:06 * martior_ has quit () Feb 02 16:20:11 * ErikRose mixes his sentient supercomputers. Feb 02 16:22:30 Oh, and w.r.t. putting the contents of https://weblion.psu.edu/wiki/ on plone.org, as soon as plone.org has world-writability and past revision tracking, I am all for it. Feb 02 16:23:22 * kamalgill (n=kamalgil@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:23:31 Welcome, kamalgill! Feb 02 16:23:38 kamalgill! Feb 02 16:23:39 cursed firewall Feb 02 16:23:44 hi Feb 02 16:23:45 Ssh tunnel? Feb 02 16:23:46 bakin paste Feb 02 16:23:54 Mmm, bacon. Feb 02 16:23:54 local firewall Feb 02 16:24:06 No, I mean did you ssh tunnel around it? Feb 02 16:24:14 * dbfrombrc has quit () Feb 02 16:24:24 no, just disabled my local firewall Feb 02 16:24:36 ErikRose, on snowsprint, guido_w and the others spent all the evening with killing each other Feb 02 16:24:36 with quake Feb 02 16:24:45 we'll brainstorm the cheatsheets effort at 2pm (pacific) Feb 02 16:24:50 after lunch Feb 02 16:25:00 kamalgill: check Feb 02 16:25:10 ree: Ooo, what fun! I haven't played Quake seriously since college. Feb 02 16:25:25 * ErikRose sees hisself on the projector. Feb 02 16:26:24 * ErikRose checks something. Feb 02 16:26:37 ErikRose, I stuck at Doom Feb 02 16:26:57 sample cheat sheets: http://techcheatsheets.com/ Feb 02 16:27:09 http://techcheatsheets.com/tag/python/ Feb 02 16:27:16 http://www.sauerbraten.org/ Feb 02 16:27:17 I muse sometimes that it would be interesting to be a Quake prodigy who uses a trackpad. Feb 02 16:27:20 I've always loved the ones from ilikejackdaniels.com Feb 02 16:27:37 Or ilovejackdaniels.com, rather. Feb 02 16:27:48 kamal: do you have an svg template? Feb 02 16:28:00 cbcunc: Nice lighting on that last shot! Feb 02 16:28:15 kamalgill: are those inkscape or scribus? Feb 02 16:28:31 heureso: not yet. Feb 02 16:28:42 ErikRose: it does great really time water ripples Feb 02 16:28:59 * ErikRose appreciated even the cheapo version of that effect in Myst 2 or 3. Feb 02 16:29:26 I loved Riven so much. Then I got mad when Ubisoft did a halfhearted job of OS X support. Feb 02 16:29:35 (for Myst 3) Feb 02 16:29:52 cbcunc: i have more experience with inkscape, but it doesn't support multiple pages Feb 02 16:30:09 so we should use scribus today? Feb 02 16:30:10 as long as the cheat sheets dont' expand beyond 1 page, we're fine with inkscape Feb 02 16:30:16 ok Feb 02 16:30:27 do you have experience with scribus? Feb 02 16:30:28 kss will go beyond one page Feb 02 16:30:42 no. but that's never stopped me from trying. Feb 02 16:31:10 of the two, inkscape has a more approachable UI imo Feb 02 16:32:16 As our research group is (necessarily) using an EPrints repository http://eprints.brighton.ac.uk/view/groups/AM5.html would adding CMFBibliographyAT to the equation add value? (Before now, I haven't looked at the product) Feb 02 16:34:13 * grahamperrin reads http://nateaune.com/2007/12/08/plone4edu-edition-of-plone-for-universities-and-educational-institutions/ Feb 02 16:34:22 * esteele perks up as he hears somebody say "faculty staff". Feb 02 16:34:42 kamalgill: have you used Jabber-enabled Inkboard in Inkscape? Feb 02 16:35:01 * callahan (n=chatzill@moobilenet8-114.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:35:20 grahamperrin: not yet--sounds useful Feb 02 16:36:09 kamalgill: AFAIR if you install it through MacPorts sudo port install inkscape you gain the capability Feb 02 16:36:41 grahamperrin: Does it require XWin? Feb 02 16:36:55 ErikRose: X11 Feb 02 16:37:49 That guy's got good hair. Feb 02 16:38:34 ErikRose: Inkscape-related information at http://paste.plone.org/19322 Feb 02 16:38:38 thx! Feb 02 16:39:15 And the color of the projector screen "breathes" with your leaning. :-) Feb 02 16:39:18 It's kinda cool. Feb 02 16:39:25 * mateolan has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 02 16:39:30 I might capture it and make a soothing screensaver. Feb 02 16:39:39 That's ok, really. We're already looking at our own IRC apps. Seeing it in California doesn't really do much for me. :) Feb 02 16:39:52 It shows there's a 40-second lag on the roundtrip. :-) Feb 02 16:40:04 * natea reads optilude's Plone 4 blog post - http://martinaspeli.net/articles/pete-and-andy-try-plone-4 Feb 02 16:42:18 we're going to make a buildout for everyone to check out Feb 02 16:42:27 Of what? Feb 02 16:42:37 all the products we're working on at the sprint Feb 02 16:42:45 Oh ho. Feb 02 16:42:46 CMBBib, PloneOntology, FacultyStaffDir Feb 02 16:42:54 kamalgill: the scribus "new document" dialog has an option for number of pages and whether layout is single page, double sided, or 3- or 4-fold. Feb 02 16:42:58 Cool. :-) Feb 02 16:42:59 prly one for plone 3 and one for plone 2.5 Feb 02 16:43:23 ree is going to help making the products ajaxified with kss Feb 02 16:43:30 natea: Just so you know, we'll be doing a major FSD sprint at Plone Symposium East. Feb 02 16:43:40 ahh.. cool Feb 02 16:43:43 YES! We had that work started but rolled it back to expedite release. Feb 02 16:43:50 does it work on plone 3? Feb 02 16:44:04 natea: Yep! Let's see if we can find you the half-done work we did... Feb 02 16:44:14 * geojeff|afk is now known as geojeff Feb 02 16:44:25 thanks Feb 02 16:44:42 no prob! Feb 02 16:45:01 The tests take forever to run in Plone 3; that's Membrane's fault. Sorry. Feb 02 16:45:13 ErikRose: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/changeset/2314 Feb 02 16:45:18 FSD? Feb 02 16:45:30 cbcunc: Yes. FacultyStaffDirectory Feb 02 16:45:43 ErikRose: is Membrane a dependency for FSD? Feb 02 16:45:50 natea: Yep Feb 02 16:45:52 hmm.. Feb 02 16:45:55 Scared yet? ;-) Feb 02 16:46:02 oh good. the first thing wikipedia came up with was Female Sexual Dysfunction Feb 02 16:46:14 With our Googlerank? Unthinkable! Feb 02 16:46:19 That's been an unfortunate side effect. Feb 02 16:46:26 * limi wants someone that isn't MacYET to run a PloneEdu effort to mirror what's happening with PloneGov Feb 02 16:46:27 :) Feb 02 16:46:36 :) Feb 02 16:46:40 :) Feb 02 16:46:45 I think we are......? Feb 02 16:47:05 by default Feb 02 16:47:09 I haven't followed what you guys have done lately :) Feb 02 16:47:33 ErikRose: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/ticket/351 Feb 02 16:47:45 * limi has PloneEdu and PloneGov logos in the style of http://plone.org/about/logo coming up Feb 02 16:47:53 limi: Nice! Feb 02 16:47:57 but I'm excited if that's what's happening Feb 02 16:47:59 limi: what about the WebLion guys? Feb 02 16:48:11 they've already got a treasure chest of good info on their website Feb 02 16:48:14 yup Feb 02 16:48:15 * dbfrombrc (n=dbfrombr@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:48:21 that's why I'm talking about it here ;) Feb 02 16:48:28 you revealed my secret plan Feb 02 16:48:29 :P Feb 02 16:48:32 We're open to more friends. :-) Feb 02 16:48:49 Join #weblion or #plone4edu (a little less technical and sparser). Feb 02 16:48:59 That's where we talk to each other during the workday. Feb 02 16:49:09 heh, ok Feb 02 16:49:18 who has the plone4edu.com domain name? Feb 02 16:49:19 University of Southern Chicago is partnering with us. Cool stuff. Feb 02 16:49:27 * jonstahl has quit ("goodbye, evil plone world! muhahaha!") Feb 02 16:49:27 err.. .org Feb 02 16:49:34 * limi thinks the "4" part looks cheesy, sorry 0:) Feb 02 16:49:42 Not sure that's official though. Feb 02 16:49:49 ploneedu.org then Feb 02 16:49:51 macyet has the plone4univerities domain Feb 02 16:50:06 What I want to know is who has weblion.com. Feb 02 16:50:11 is it possible to get plone.edu? or do you have to be an accredited university? Feb 02 16:50:12 anyway, didn't mean to derail anything :) Feb 02 16:50:15 still have video, lost the sound Feb 02 16:50:19 Yeah. Mike was all about starting up a collaboration and MacYet beat us to the punch. Feb 02 16:50:20 natea: you have to be uni, afaik Feb 02 16:50:39 limi: i think someone prly still owns eduplone.org Feb 02 16:50:47 err.. i take that back Feb 02 16:50:49 MacYET didn't start much, "use TextIndexNG and FCKEditor, because we are professionals" Feb 02 16:50:50 ;) Feb 02 16:50:51 But it's been fairly open so far. Feb 02 16:50:52 so. let's start plone university. :) Feb 02 16:50:53 * mateolan1 (n=Administ@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:50:58 * ErikRose wants pl0n3x0rz.com Feb 02 16:50:58 it's been snatched up by a domain squater Feb 02 16:51:24 sue the bastards! Feb 02 16:51:28 Wow. It got quiet... Feb 02 16:51:32 * cewing (n=cewing@c-24-19-240-253.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 16:51:33 I don't want it to be called EduPlone anyway, too much bad blood associated with that Feb 02 16:51:41 yeah, good point Feb 02 16:52:05 PloneGov, PloneEdu, PloneNGO, etc I think that naming scheme works Feb 02 16:52:14 +1 Feb 02 16:52:17 +1 Feb 02 16:52:20 cewing +1 Feb 02 16:52:21 +1 Feb 02 16:52:26 +e Feb 02 16:52:50 careful, or I will have to invoke Planck's constant ;) Feb 02 16:53:19 :) Feb 02 16:53:36 there used to be PloneMall as well and hope it will be back to life one day Feb 02 16:53:38 geojeff! How have you been? Didn't realize you were in here. :) Feb 02 16:53:51 i snuck off Feb 02 16:54:08 doing well Feb 02 16:54:20 limi: ploneedu.org and plonengo.org are both available Feb 02 16:54:28 should the plone foundation register them? Feb 02 16:54:35 before someone else does ;) Feb 02 16:54:38 probably a good idea Feb 02 16:54:54 natea: you want to pick them up, and we'll reimburse and transfer later? Feb 02 16:54:55 limi: would toby have to do that? Feb 02 16:55:04 limi: sure, i can register them Feb 02 16:55:08 nah, transfers are easy Feb 02 16:55:09 macports install of inkscape has brought my macbook to its knees. only took a few seconds in ubuntu. Feb 02 16:55:11 k Feb 02 16:55:20 why not to mange it all under plone.org with subdomains? Feb 02 16:55:25 cbcunc: That's the diff tween binary packages and source. :-) Feb 02 16:55:28 cbcunc: but Ubuntu is already running GNOME ;) Feb 02 16:55:38 ngo.plone.org could redirect to plonengo.org Feb 02 16:55:50 too many websites for all Feb 02 16:55:52 I wish there were a binary package manager on OS X with the quality of Debian. Feb 02 16:55:58 true all dat Feb 02 16:56:01 cbcunc: the dmg from inkscape.org does fine for me most of the time Feb 02 16:56:13 ErikRose: I think MacPorts are adding binary packages Feb 02 16:56:19 ErikRose: 'the quality of debian" ? ;) Feb 02 16:56:20 * oferw wants to see demo.plone.org as well one day Feb 02 16:56:24 bitmonk. shudda done that, yep. Feb 02 16:56:33 oferw: ubuntu project has ubuntu.com, kubuntu.org and edubuntu.org Feb 02 16:56:39 each domain has its own identity Feb 02 16:57:03 oferw: http://www.plonegetpaid.com/ Feb 02 16:57:12 natea: ubuntu moved from plone to drupal thats mean they did a good thing? Feb 02 16:57:14 oferw: +1! We're having to roll our own demo.weblion.psu.edu because of it. Feb 02 16:58:00 ErikRose: you're probably better off demoing something that is locally branded and has whatever addons you want, anyway.. Feb 02 16:58:11 but that's no reason for there not being a demo.plone.org :) Feb 02 16:58:24 Yeah, but we'd probably be able to put it off longer if there were a demo.plone.org. Feb 02 16:58:34 We basically have to prove it can be fast. Feb 02 16:59:38 any chance of getting the sound back on the stream? Feb 02 16:59:41 natea: Were you going to sprint on FSD stuff? Here are some tix if you need ideas: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/report/12 Feb 02 17:00:18 re: the plone.org performance puzzle I had some wild guesses about possible causes, but not for here/now ... maybe kick the ball around later in #plone Feb 02 17:00:32 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 17:00:42 I'd rather hold off on FSD and work on CMFBib. Feb 02 17:01:01 cbcunc: sound reception here is fine (mixed discussion) Feb 02 17:01:22 I'd love to join in on CMFBib, what needs doing? Feb 02 17:02:26 cewing: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/sprint-goals Feb 02 17:02:29 Mind if I paste a bunch of crap? Feb 02 17:02:50 Bombs away! Feb 02 17:02:51 Improve UI for Ranking (see docs/users). Feb 02 17:02:51 Improve English in widget labels. Feb 02 17:02:52 Make installing BibliographyAT install ATExtensions automatically. Why this needs to be done: make a new Bib folder and add a Webpage Reference to it. Feb 02 17:02:52 Then choose Display->Base_view, and watch the Display menu go away. Fix that. Feb 02 17:02:52 Add KSS widgets. Feb 02 17:02:54 Improve validation in configlet: complain if the user selects an option but then don't fill out the fields that, as a result, also need to be filled out. They're already CPTs. Just add some VPYs. Feb 02 17:02:57 Make BiblioFolders less scary schemawise; maybe provide a simpler version or something. FSD users shouldn't need to bother with all that, says Eric. Feb 02 17:03:09 I'm halfheartedly adding that to CMFBib's POI. ;-) Feb 02 17:03:16 cewing: we are discussing organization of group interest and tasks now Feb 02 17:03:36 Just turned on the stream. thx Feb 02 17:06:17 * oferw has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") Feb 02 17:08:38 http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/bibliography Feb 02 17:08:46 please use that wiki page for bibliography notes Feb 02 17:08:51 http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/taxonomy-ontology Feb 02 17:08:54 Excellent Feb 02 17:08:59 thx, nate! Feb 02 17:09:18 please use that wiki page for taxonomy/ontology notes Feb 02 17:11:31 Agh, that's not a wiki. Feb 02 17:11:36 hey dennisharrison, yt? Feb 02 17:11:58 * ErikRose opens the one browser the editing UI will work in. Feb 02 17:13:52 *milehalm is all over PloneEdu but wonders about the edu lawyers Feb 02 17:13:53 gads, macports blows Feb 02 17:14:49 it would be good if Plone Foundations could be the recipients of IP Feb 02 17:15:32 mikehalm__: in principle we're willing, let us know what you need. Feb 02 17:16:09 * jonstahl is of course speaking unofficially. ;-) Feb 02 17:18:54 mikehalm__: edu lawyers? Feb 02 17:19:46 jonstahl: we need a way to contribute IP to a project and to have someone own it : Contributor agreements for institutions and individuals Feb 02 17:19:48 * siebo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 17:20:23 * siebo (n=siebo@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 17:21:01 mikehalm__: PF has an individual contributor agreement, you are free to adapt that, if it's close to what you need. Feb 02 17:21:04 we are getting the lawyers nervous because other Uni's are contributing code to FSD without agreements on ownership Feb 02 17:21:28 mikehalm__: i can see how that would make the lawyers nervous. Feb 02 17:21:37 cbcunc: ouch, did you run a port install? Feb 02 17:22:13 mikehalm__: yes, you should nip that in the bud, while you can still reach all the contributors Feb 02 17:22:28 mikehalm__: and I'm sure Plone Foundation would be happy to own and manage the IP Feb 02 17:22:34 jonstahl: yes that is exactly what is needed but the code needs to be owned by the Plone Foundation so it stays in the open Feb 02 17:23:09 limi: most of them are on this call (-; Feb 02 17:23:09 Toward possibly renaming CMFBibliographyAT, if you need any Python sys.path weirdness done, I'm happy to do that. Feb 02 17:23:12 I'm a pretty weird guy. Feb 02 17:23:19 mikehalm__: you got the institution approval for PSU, right? Feb 02 17:23:39 (for Plone, that is) Feb 02 17:23:44 limi: for? Feb 02 17:24:16 limi: took months but yeap Feb 02 17:24:24 they are good with that Feb 02 17:24:30 Replying to the audio in the stream, I agree we should assign tasks. I'd love to get something to work on Feb 02 17:24:38 ands we have a good CIO that is into OS Feb 02 17:25:06 * ErikRose just added a bunch of "tickets" to the wiki. Feb 02 17:25:37 PloneOntology was developed using TDD Feb 02 17:25:46 TDD = test-driven development Feb 02 17:26:06 which makes it a good candidate for refactoring Feb 02 17:26:15 limi: kurtB at Louisville is trying to set up a foundation for Plone4Edu; you should talk to him at the Summit Feb 02 17:26:22 improving the test coverage for CMFBib Feb 02 17:26:49 mikehalm__: oh, ok Feb 02 17:26:55 mikehalm__: I will Feb 02 17:26:56 I ran a test coverage on CMFBib. Lemme find the results. Feb 02 17:27:02 limi: I told him I thought that was too early, would much rather have PF be the owner Feb 02 17:27:16 it is cleaner Feb 02 17:27:17 creating a foundation is painful Feb 02 17:27:31 it shouldn't be done unless there's a real need for it, IMO Feb 02 17:27:41 Is that why everybody starts a company once and then fights like hell to keep it alive even if its purpose is obsolete? Feb 02 17:27:42 38% Feb 02 17:27:43 I went through it with I2 and IMS... it is very PAINFUL Feb 02 17:27:59 I can paste the result files somewhere if anyone wants them. Feb 02 17:28:03 limi: totaty agree Feb 02 17:28:12 even an initially well-funded one like Plone Foundation took quite a while to get rolling (and IMO hasn't really been 110% until the currently serving board, which is awesome) Feb 02 17:29:09 limi: we are fully behind PF on the PloneEdu.org Feb 02 17:29:39 limi: as soon as all these plone in edu types starting talking to each other, they immediately set to talking first about setting up some organization/foundation/ruling body. and i thought, well, that's guaranteed to throw the brakes on. Feb 02 17:29:59 limi: and I am willing to help get this going; actually I think we are contributing a lot already Feb 02 17:30:43 cbcunc: recall the thread (-; was with you on that one Feb 02 17:31:32 pf should be our foundation. and have a substantial body of something to administer before setting up an administration. Feb 02 17:32:03 or it's just another cms with no content. :) Feb 02 17:32:53 I personally have never seen a Great Divide between the needs of business and those of education. I think we shouldn't fragment. Rather, we should encourage the formation of special interest groups. Feb 02 17:32:53 * bitmonk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 17:33:11 ErikRose: correct Feb 02 17:33:16 +1 Feb 02 17:33:21 It seems to work for ACM. Feb 02 17:33:38 We can still have a treehouse. ;-) Feb 02 17:33:54 blanket forts! Feb 02 17:34:54 * geojeff is now known as geojeff_afk Feb 02 17:34:59 +1 Feb 02 17:35:04 * bitmonk (n=justizin@dsl092-012-025.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 17:35:06 so let's do it Feb 02 17:35:15 mikehalm__: you are definitely doing a lot already :) Feb 02 17:36:32 limi: and we will do more, we are growing fast at PSU and bringing in some very good development groups into our partnership Feb 02 17:40:40 * grahamperrin overhears WebDAV branch of CMFBibliographyAT, marvels at http://www.bud.ca/blog/plone-wishes and has some thoughts for later Feb 02 17:40:51 * discussion Feb 02 17:41:05 * esteele is itching to write some code. Feb 02 17:42:06 Okay, I'm dropping out of watching-what's-happening mode till I get something done. :-) Feb 02 17:42:41 Will we be working in the trunk or do we create a sprint branch? Feb 02 17:42:43 mikehalm__: yup, we should definitely talk more I have to go now, I'm working with Jon on some summit preparations :) Feb 02 17:43:05 Or several? Feb 02 17:43:31 callahan: is /portal_css/manage_cssComposition and thereabouts what you're seeking? Feb 02 17:44:00 ErikRose: I'm with you. Can we just pick something and work on it? Feb 02 17:44:07 Why not? Feb 02 17:44:09 Go for it! Feb 02 17:44:25 I'll figure out where to commit it when I'm done, I figure. Feb 02 17:44:35 If it gets long, I'll branch. Feb 02 17:44:40 brave . . . Feb 02 17:44:57 Mark your name on the wiki item or ticket you're doing. Feb 02 17:45:11 so nobody duplicates work Feb 02 17:49:23 SteveM and I are starting on making the buildout Feb 02 17:49:38 booyah Feb 02 17:50:10 I notice that these references have AT's table_view as a display option. Is that still used? Feb 02 17:50:25 Since it doesn't have a .metadata file attached to it. Feb 02 17:50:42 should we make a buildout just for CMFBib? Feb 02 17:50:46 ErikRose: are you interested in setting up a buildout env in cvs for CMFBib? Feb 02 17:51:00 or one that has also PloneOntology and FacultyStaffDirectory Feb 02 17:51:01 ? Feb 02 17:52:24 I've never used PloneOntology. I wouldn't mind seeing an {FSD+CMFBib} buildout, or you can just use our existing FSD one. Feb 02 17:52:44 https://weblion.psu.edu/svn/weblion/weblion/FacultyStaffDirectory/buildouts/devel/ Feb 02 17:52:52 lets hijack the FSD and add CMFBib, eh? Feb 02 17:53:04 * grahamperrin curses OpenPlans for refusing to let him in, some mix up with wordpress? Feb 02 17:53:15 I can add CMFBib in there if you'd like. Feb 02 17:53:27 If anybody needs commit for FSD, just ask. We'll probably ask you to work on a branch. Feb 02 17:53:45 votes here are to add it to the collective Feb 02 17:53:50 in separate projects Feb 02 17:54:02 To add what to the collective? Feb 02 17:56:08 sorry ErikRose: CMFbib depends on ATExtensions in archetypes repository, and PloneOntology depends on Relations in PloneCollective, this is what needs to be known for buildout Feb 02 17:56:56 mateolan1: Right. But you were talking about adding something to the Collective. I thought you were requesting that FSD be moved to the Collective. Is that what you meant? Feb 02 17:56:56 I've run the test coverage if you guys want it. Feb 02 17:57:06 Save you some time... Feb 02 17:57:13 Oh, is that what that vacuum-cleaner-like sound was? Feb 02 17:57:14 damn, boy waking up. must run Feb 02 17:57:26 * cewing has quit ("Hasta lumbago") Feb 02 17:57:31 Bye, cewing! Feb 02 17:59:16 A decent Inkscape Howto: http://www.ioncannon.net/utilities/123/10-tips-for-creating-good-looking-diagrams-using-inkscape/ Feb 02 17:59:20 jcha1: hey Feb 02 17:59:27 Howdy... Feb 02 18:00:01 ErikRose...just a minute, confirming what 'we' meant Feb 02 18:00:08 hehe, ok Feb 02 18:02:38 jseach Feb 02 18:02:44 jaseach Feb 02 18:02:58 * jcha1 (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has left #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:03:14 * jcha1 (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:04:45 * geojeff_afk is now known as geojeff Feb 02 18:08:12 Where is this issue tracker I heard someone mention. Feb 02 18:08:19 ? Feb 02 18:08:23 For what? Feb 02 18:09:40 esteele: CMFBibiographyAT tracker link is in this list: http://del.icio.us/tag/sciencesprint Feb 02 18:09:52 does anyone have a blackberry charger with them? Feb 02 18:10:10 cbcunc: Thanks. Feb 02 18:10:15 esteele: http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/issues/poi_issue_search?state=unconfirmed&state=open&state=in-progress Feb 02 18:10:27 or any charger with a usb 'b' out Feb 02 18:10:55 Ah, ok. I thought I heard someone was creating a new one for the sprint. Feb 02 18:11:22 esteele: if they are, they should use the existing one. :) Feb 02 18:11:33 I was just talking about using the wiki as sort of a lightweight one of those earlier. Feb 02 18:11:41 It looks like CMFBib isn't following the site pref for "allow editing of short names". Should it be? Feb 02 18:11:53 of course Feb 02 18:12:15 * SteveM has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 02 18:12:22 well, there's the site pref, and then you have to set an individual pref Feb 02 18:12:34 Or I guess the proper question would be "why?" Feb 02 18:14:08 Hmm, I can't delete the bibliographies I made. Feb 02 18:14:28 /plone/some-bibilographies/webpublishedreference.2008-01-30.3093588927 could not be deleted. Feb 02 18:14:42 Nothing in the fg output. Feb 02 18:14:53 Anybody ever see that before? Feb 02 18:15:08 * martior (n=martior@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:16:38 esteele: do you have LinguaPlone present? Feb 02 18:16:56 Not that I'm aware of. Feb 02 18:17:03 grahamperrin: ^ Feb 02 18:17:48 ErikRose: are you running it on Plone3? Feb 02 18:17:49 esteele: with (at least) LinguaPlone present, whether or not it's installed, when an object is first saved the user's preferred short name is not respected. After first save it can be changed Feb 02 18:17:55 siebo: yep Feb 02 18:17:55 remote sprinters - does someone want to go through the CMFBib issue tracker? Feb 02 18:18:04 esteele: could be a clue, I'll seek the related issue Feb 02 18:18:12 ErikRose: locking in effect? edit/save that item and try again? Feb 02 18:18:15 natea: I'm in favor of using it, if that's what you mean. Feb 02 18:18:17 29 pending issues - http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/issues/poi_issue_search?state=unconfirmed&state=open&state=in-progress Feb 02 18:18:39 we're thinking it makes sense to look at the current issues in the tracker Feb 02 18:18:43 before starting a new issue tracker Feb 02 18:18:50 to reduce duplicate efforts Feb 02 18:18:55 ErikRose--check there for your issue, and add it if nec. Feb 02 18:18:57 Certainly. But why start a new tracker at all? Feb 02 18:19:11 grahamperrin: It's not that my choice of a name isn't respected, it's that the field is even there in the edit page. I've got "edit short name" turned off site-wide. Feb 02 18:20:17 someone could try svn trunk and report any problems on plone 3 Feb 02 18:20:17 siebo: You got it. ThanksQ Feb 02 18:20:17 http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/issues/38 Feb 02 18:20:18 ! Feb 02 18:20:31 ErikRose: glad to help Feb 02 18:20:40 ErikRose: we're not going to start a tracker, but were considering it because plone.org is so slow Feb 02 18:21:07 natea: Aha. Well, if you want a quick Trac environment, I can churn one out in 30 seconds. I have a dozen at https://weblion.psu.edu/trac Feb 02 18:21:25 ErikRose: thanks, but i think we'll just stick with Poi for now Feb 02 18:21:28 It'd be really good to keep all tickets in one place, though. Feb 02 18:21:29 it's not great but it works Feb 02 18:21:36 Glad we're on the same page. :-) Feb 02 18:21:40 and there are already a history of issues there Feb 02 18:21:46 natea: Works on Plone 3 for me. Feb 02 18:21:58 esteele: can you close out this issue then? http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/issues/38 Feb 02 18:22:25 natea: Sure. Feb 02 18:22:29 natea: All the issues I stuck on http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/bibliography (They all say "(CMFBibliographyAT)" after them.) are true in Plone 3. Feb 02 18:23:15 i think what would be good is to take the list on that page, and put them in as distinct issues in the tracker Feb 02 18:23:22 This is true. Feb 02 18:23:23 so that we can assign them to persons/pairs Feb 02 18:23:27 and track their progress Feb 02 18:23:42 and whatever we don't finish at the sprint, can continue afterwards Feb 02 18:23:58 The only reason I put them on the page is as a first step. I couldn't motivate myself to detail them to the level I consider necessary on a ticket. :-) Feb 02 18:23:59 we can also prioritize in the tracker Feb 02 18:24:04 which we can't do easily on this wiki page Feb 02 18:24:18 sure, that's what wikis are for ;) Feb 02 18:24:28 Go nuts! Feb 02 18:24:49 I'll ticket my "English" one, since I'm actually starting to do it. Feb 02 18:25:19 ErikRose: ok, great Feb 02 18:27:50 natea: I don't have rights to delete. Feb 02 18:28:04 That and I get a timeout when trying to respond. Go plone.org Feb 02 18:28:05 ! Feb 02 18:28:11 * hauser has quit () Feb 02 18:28:27 esteele: is your plone.org username esteele? Feb 02 18:28:29 We seriously need to have a plone.org hardware bake sale. Feb 02 18:28:32 natea: Yes. Feb 02 18:28:44 ErikRose: Or just a hardware bake. Feb 02 18:28:50 esteele: ok, you are now a tracker mgr Feb 02 18:28:54 natea: Thanks! Feb 02 18:28:57 No, we're having that now. Feb 02 18:29:11 natea: Me too! un=erikrose Feb 02 18:30:31 Thanks for getting that martior. Feb 02 18:30:53 ErikRose: you have mgr access now Feb 02 18:30:58 Thanks! Feb 02 18:31:29 ErikRose: wee allready have the eggs, we just need flour and sugar Feb 02 18:32:07 * esteele votes for not eggifying until we're done. I've been digging through the changesets and it'd be nice not to lose the history. Feb 02 18:33:02 * grahamperrin has quit ("bye") Feb 02 18:33:11 esteele: we will note loose the historey, we just do a svn move Feb 02 18:33:14 Yes, adding tests are undisruptive. In fact, they stave off future disruption. Re-orging the repo now will just confuse everybody. Feb 02 18:33:16 Ah, great . Thanks. Feb 02 18:33:57 If we do move everything around, I'm happy to help folks with existing checkouts run "svn switch". Feb 02 18:35:03 svn switch, for the uninitiated: https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/RelocateWorkingCopies Feb 02 18:37:07 * dbfrombrc (n=dbfrombr@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has left #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:37:20 * dbfrombrc (n=dbfrombr@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:38:04 ErikRose: do you have experience in eggification? Feb 02 18:38:12 mateolan1: None that I recall :-) Feb 02 18:38:55 * hauser (n=hauser@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:39:00 I'm ambivalent about eggs. I won't oppose eggification, but ez_setup never is for me. Feb 02 18:39:20 ez_install, I mean Feb 02 18:39:39 * grahamperrin (i=grahampe@bb-87-81-165-9.ukonline.co.uk) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:42:06 ErikRose: do you want to assign yourself to the improve english templates issue? Feb 02 18:42:37 natea: Yes, I was just getting to that. Feb 02 18:42:43 Sorry, doing a million things Feb 02 18:43:02 Raphael: "you can do a lot of things and that's the problem" ;) Feb 02 18:43:23 Done. Feb 02 18:43:44 natea, ErikRose: We've got some docs folks at PSU that might be willing to update those on Monday. Feb 02 18:45:29 Those what? Feb 02 18:45:29 * siebo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 02 18:46:13 * siebo (n=siebo@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 18:48:34 ErikRose: template text. Feb 02 18:49:08 I need to do it now for my own peace of mind. Feb 02 18:49:17 Ah. :) Feb 02 18:49:19 I find more motivation to work on something once it looks nice. Feb 02 19:01:57 plone.org is horrendously slow Feb 02 19:02:06 click......and......wait Feb 02 19:07:20 * mikehalm__ has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 02 19:08:41 Anybody know anything about (Smart) Bibliography Lists? Feb 02 19:14:51 * mikehalm_ (n=mikehalm@72.169.178.237) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 19:16:34 * dbfrombrc agrees with natea re: plone.org sloowwness Feb 02 19:16:47 http://plone.org/products/cmfbibliographyat/issues/poi_issue_search Feb 02 19:16:58 cbcunc: can i add you as a tracker mgr? Feb 02 19:21:39 Can one put anything inside a Bibliography Folder except "references"? Feb 02 19:22:00 I'm writing some widget labels and am just going to refer to everything in a Biblio Folder as "references" unless somebody stops me. Feb 02 19:22:18 I'm out of control! Restrain me now! Feb 02 19:22:36 My goal is to reduce the size of these forms by half. :-) Feb 02 19:25:05 * ErikRose It looks like the contents of a Biblio Folder are called "bibliographical entries" by many of the form labels but "[Whatever kind of] Reference" in the Add... menu. Feb 02 19:25:17 Can I homogenize these? If so, which is the better term? Feb 02 19:25:26 I'm going with "references" unless somebody stops me. Feb 02 19:29:16 ErikRose: one can aslo put a pdf folder Feb 02 19:31:55 * dbfrombrc has quit () Feb 02 19:32:52 who added "Improve UI for ranking?" Feb 02 19:33:00 i want to assign these issues to someone Feb 02 19:39:21 I think that was ErikRose. Feb 02 19:39:48 But I think that was a wish list request. Feb 02 19:43:13 It was indeed a pie-in-the sky wish. Feb 02 19:43:27 I've got no mockups, nothin'. Feb 02 19:43:35 * natea has changed the topic to: CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/ | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp Feb 02 19:43:44 ok, i've updated the issue tracker with all the issues reported in the wiki Feb 02 19:44:16 please go through the list, assign issues to yourself that you intend to work on, and add more details in the description field Feb 02 19:44:59 Thanks, natea! Feb 02 19:45:17 also, if you can assign a tag to similar issues Feb 02 19:45:26 for example, "import-handling" to all issues related to importing Feb 02 19:45:31 then we can group issues by clusters Feb 02 19:45:38 and knock them off more easily Feb 02 19:45:45 sounds good Feb 02 19:49:17 * ree has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 02 19:52:01 So what time do you all leave to go party with SteveM's daughter? Feb 02 19:57:58 * callahan has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") Feb 02 20:03:59 * dbfrombrc (n=dbfrombr@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 20:09:57 * ree (n=ree@oily.greenfinity.hu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 20:10:54 * kamalgill has quit ("Leaving") Feb 02 20:13:11 we're doing a sprint day 1 progress report Feb 02 20:13:42 Well, for my part, I stuck issues on the wiki, and you stuck them in the tracker. :-) Feb 02 20:14:02 Can someone repeat what Raphael just said about the remote sprinters? Feb 02 20:14:12 I currently nicing up the wording on CMFBiblio's templates, trying to be more concise and idiomatic. Feb 02 20:14:20 am Feb 02 20:16:46 cbcunc: nevermind, I found out what DOI is about with some googling... Feb 02 20:18:31 remote sprinters - anyone want to report on what they're working on? Feb 02 20:18:37 we're adding them to the whiteboard Feb 02 20:18:40 Read above for me. Feb 02 20:18:44 Is anybody logging this yet? Feb 02 20:18:48 ErikRose: we got you on the board Feb 02 20:19:03 ree: what's up with kssproject.org? Feb 02 20:19:16 ErikRose: i have a local log of the sciencesprint channel Feb 02 20:19:17 could post it to wiki if people would find it useful Feb 02 20:19:39 I know I'd find it handy, with the time zones and all. Feb 02 20:19:41 http://dx.doi.org/ Feb 02 20:19:47 I can set up auto logging if nobody objects. Feb 02 20:20:03 wth is doi? Feb 02 20:20:17 I'm fixing the "short name" field in the edit form. I'll find something more worthwhile to work on tomorrow. :) Feb 02 20:27:46 ErikRose: it's like an ISBN number for journal articles Feb 02 20:27:52 oh ho Feb 02 20:28:12 ErikRose: http://www.crossref.org/01company/15doi_info.html Feb 02 20:28:43 * ree has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 02 20:29:17 * ree (n=ree@oily.greenfinity.hu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 20:30:17 * SnarfBot (n=supybot@weblion.psu.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 20:31:29 Any against me posting the logs? Feb 02 20:32:04 http://www.cvrti.utah.edu/~macleod/litbase/endnote.html Feb 02 20:33:40 ErikRose: i'm not opposed Feb 02 20:33:47 Excellent. Feb 02 20:34:00 I'll give everybody a few more minutes to chime in while I adjust my Apache config. Feb 02 20:36:43 ErikRose: I've no problems with you posting the logs just make sure you delete the part where we talked about the ******** and the ******** in the ******** ************ Feb 02 20:37:04 Right. When you talk about ******** in the future, just preface it with "[nolog]". Feb 02 20:37:29 roger that Feb 02 20:41:50 * martior has quit () Feb 02 20:42:20 * bitmonk has quit () Feb 02 20:44:17 regarding eggifying, seen this? http://svn.repoze.org/repoze.zope2/trunk/repoze/zope2/scripts/installproduct.py Feb 02 20:53:54 ree is giving a brief intro to KSS Feb 02 20:59:04 people here are getting ready to head out... Feb 02 20:59:44 What time are you folks starting up again tomorrow? Feb 02 20:59:52 nice egg tool Feb 02 21:00:39 * siebo has quit ("heading out...") Feb 02 21:03:20 * dbfrombrc has quit () Feb 02 21:05:58 * dbfrombrc (n=dbfrombr@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 21:08:03 * dbfrombrc has quit (Client Quit) Feb 02 21:08:26 * ErikRose has quit () Feb 02 21:12:56 * jonstahl has quit ("goodbye, evil plone world! muhahaha!") 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Feb 02 22:08:22 i'm seriously ill. i thought i'd try to see how long i could tough it out today and hit a wall. Feb 02 22:08:48 * You have been marked as being away Feb 02 22:27:30 * Disconnected (Operation timed out). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 2 22:27:30 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 2 22:27:56 2008 Feb 02 22:27:56 * Now talking on #sciencesprint Feb 02 22:27:56 * Topic for #sciencesprint is: CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/ | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp Feb 02 22:27:56 * Topic for #sciencesprint set by natea at Sat Feb 2 19:43:35 2008 Feb 02 22:27:56 * #sciencesprint :[freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup Feb 02 22:35:06 * cbcunc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 02 22:39:28 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 02 22:40:41 * jonstahl has quit ("goodbye, evil plone world! muhahaha!") 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Feb 03 11:14:50 I hope you have a good time at the sprint Feb 03 11:15:45 I wish I was there... Feb 03 11:28:09 enzo_: I think most of the folks in the channel right now aren't actually there. We're all remoting. You're more than welcome to join us. :) Feb 03 11:28:59 esteele: thanks a lot! I hope to share with you some ideas... Feb 03 11:30:39 The folks on site will probably start showing up in the next hour or two. Feb 03 11:31:23 yeah, I guess so... there's some jet lag... :) Feb 03 11:33:20 ok, see you later... Feb 03 11:52:59 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 12:03:51 * jonstahl has quit () Feb 03 12:47:33 * SteveM|away is now known as SteveM Feb 03 12:48:00 We're scheduled to start at 11am (PST). Lots of late risers here. Feb 03 12:52:25 Thanks, SteveM. Feb 03 12:52:37 * natea (n=natea@adsl-76-196-43-254.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 12:56:14 Is it now 09:56 PST? Feb 03 12:56:21 * grahamperrin is too lazy to use an online clock Feb 03 12:56:26 That would be correct Feb 03 12:56:30 thanks Feb 03 12:59:22 grahamperrin: I always do this: http://www.google.com/search?q=what+time+is+it+in+davis%2C+ca :) Feb 03 13:02:09 esteele: thanks, I forgot to the check http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home for the location :) - I have Cupertino in my iStat menus clock Feb 03 13:04:21 Ugh. I've been going through the tickets...it's just soooo slow. Feb 03 13:05:56 * ErikRose (n=grinch@c-69-248-233-92.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 13:06:11 Oh, that's the problem. I must've accidentally checked "14.4 modem emulation mode" in my personal prefs... Silly me. Feb 03 13:06:21 Good morning, ErikRose. Feb 03 13:06:32 esteele: Ahoy there! Feb 03 13:07:09 * mikehalm_ has quit () Feb 03 13:07:20 I'm "grincheroo" or something on Skype. Feb 03 13:08:14 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 13:15:32 At http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home the link to UniversalInstaller+ is http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home/@@add-page?Title=UniversalInstaller§ion=text - a slight problem as I can't sign in to OpenPlans Feb 03 13:15:37 SteveM: ^ ? Feb 03 13:16:16 What's your openplans id? Feb 03 13:17:58 SteveM: well I don't recall registering (could be my bad memory) so I try to register as grahamperrin, OpenPlans tell me that grahamperrin exists, so I see a password reminder but OpenPlans fails ... some error relating to WordPress :( Feb 03 13:18:46 grahamperrin: Can't help you there. I think there may be an #openplans channel. Feb 03 13:19:02 SteveM: no problem. Thanks Feb 03 13:20:00 Searching for grahamperrin in OpenPlans doesn't turn anything up. Feb 03 13:20:59 I have to head off to get ready for the sprint. See you all here soon. Feb 03 13:21:04 * SteveM is now known as SteveM|away Feb 03 13:25:33 * grahamperrin finds http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/universalinstaller Feb 03 13:25:51 grahamperrin: just added it ;) Feb 03 13:26:01 natea: you're a gentleman Feb 03 13:26:10 :) Feb 03 13:27:03 sorry, I misunderstood that OpenPlans was requiring sign-in to access restricted content. Didn't realise the content was not yet present :) Feb 03 13:27:24 that's what the + next to the link means Feb 03 13:27:28 it hasn't yet been created Feb 03 13:27:33 ah ok Feb 03 13:29:29 SteveM, natea: i'm seriously ill. i tried to tought it out yesterday but hit a wall. Feb 03 13:29:41 natea: re http://plone.org/events/sprints/past-sprints/paderborn/NateWishlist (2005-12) are you still wishing for easier ways of installing wv? Feb 03 13:30:38 grahamperrin: yes, as you can see from http://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/Installers/UnifiedInstaller/branches/UnifiedInstallerPlusBuildout/README.txt Feb 03 13:30:41 it is still a manual install Feb 03 13:30:53 would be nice if there was a buildout recipe Feb 03 13:31:08 to install that one and any other dependencies required for plone Feb 03 13:31:27 xpdf, libxml2, libjpeg, etc Feb 03 13:33:38 * SteveM|away is now known as SteveM Feb 03 13:33:56 grahamperrin: funny how many of those items on the wishlist are still valid today, 3 yrs later! Feb 03 13:34:10 cbcunc: Sorry to hear it! Hope you feel better soon! Feb 03 13:34:57 The wv install is a nightmare. Unbelievable dependencies. Feb 03 13:35:18 natea and SteveM: http://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/7679#comment:6 is the .mpkg installer appealing? Feb 03 13:35:21 SteveM: yeah, couldn't we bundle up the binaries with a linux2.6 installer? Feb 03 13:36:06 natea: Could be. I wish we could find a lighter weight word parser. Feb 03 13:36:09 * grahamperrin agrees that a buildout recipe would be nice but I wouldn't no where to start Feb 03 13:36:42 buildout really shouldn't be installing system libraries :( Feb 03 13:37:18 SteveM: might a buildout install the binaries within the confines of a Zope installation? Feb 03 13:37:48 grahamperrin: Not for something like wv. With dependencies, it'd be bigger than everything else combined. Feb 03 13:37:50 SteveM: BTW I'm not expecting you or anyone to action this, just curious :/ Feb 03 13:38:25 understood Feb 03 13:49:02 * SteveM is now known as SteveM|away Feb 03 13:56:20 Anyone have an example of a page that works well with Zotero? Feb 03 13:57:24 Ah, nevermind. I've found a list. http://www.zotero.org/translators/ Feb 03 14:04:36 esteele: I posted a response on jonstahl's blog; it's in the moderation queue. Feb 03 14:04:52 ErikRose: Cool. Feb 03 14:05:04 Hopefully I didn't sound like too much of a dick. :-) Feb 03 14:08:51 ErikRose: i'll go moderate. :-) Feb 03 14:08:56 Woo. :-) Feb 03 14:09:24 * SteveM (n=SteveM@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:09:30 * zenwryly (i=xen@rpatterson.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:09:37 hello all, this is ross Feb 03 14:09:37 ErikRose: not even slightly dick-ish. ;-) Feb 03 14:09:43 I forgot to include "I welcome collaboration and pointing out of holes." :-) Feb 03 14:09:47 Ah, good. Feb 03 14:10:02 Hi, ross. Feb 03 14:10:03 Now at sprint center. Feb 03 14:10:15 Weather here is beautiful. Feb 03 14:10:27 We're at the top of the tallest building in Yolo county. Feb 03 14:10:32 ErikRose: hello Feb 03 14:10:39 natea: ping Feb 03 14:10:44 zenwryly: pong Feb 03 14:10:46 We can see at least five counties this morning. Feb 03 14:10:53 natea: where are you :) Feb 03 14:11:00 still at econolodge Feb 03 14:11:02 on my way over Feb 03 14:11:05 wow Feb 03 14:11:22 checking google maps for directions Feb 03 14:12:05 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=440478&cid=22283440 Feb 03 14:12:11 * callahan (n=chatzill@moobilenet8-114.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:12:15 * ErikRose posts mysterious links. Feb 03 14:14:45 * natea has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Feb 03 14:20:54 * SteveM thought 11am was a late enough start that we'd all be here ... hint, hint. Feb 03 14:22:21 * esteele gets the feeling that if he started walking now, he'd get there before some of the folks in Davis... :P Feb 03 14:23:16 * wildint (n=madadh@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:30:59 Whilst it's quiet, off-topic from the sprint (but relating to an add-on to Plone): Feb 03 14:31:29 Re Apache FOP, Is it possible to specify headless mode when running the *script* from the command line? I see http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/0.94/running.html#fop-script but I'm not great with command lines, environment variables etc.. AFAIK what's required is something like -Djava.awt.headless=true or -D headless Feb 03 14:34:19 * natea (n=natea@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:36:12 Stream is live Feb 03 14:36:47 Nate, Martin, Raphael, Ross, Jason, Jonathan, Alex and Steve are here Feb 03 14:37:23 Working svn for biblio sprinters at http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/CMFBibliographyAT/buildout/trunk/ Feb 03 14:37:34 working buildout, that is. Feb 03 14:37:53 Thanks SteveM. Feb 03 14:38:11 Ross is tuning up the svn ignores for the buildout. Feb 03 14:38:30 You'll want to delete the bin and run bootstrap.py Feb 03 14:38:35 with your python Feb 03 14:38:43 zenwryly, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/66 Feb 03 14:38:48 wildint: thanks! Feb 03 14:40:46 * oferw (n=chatzill@212.179.253.183) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:42:46 * ree (n=ree@oily.greenfinity.hu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:42:49 Who's the fellow in front of the camera? Feb 03 14:42:58 Just trying to put names/screennames to faces. :) Feb 03 14:43:06 esteele: that's Martin from Oslo, Norway Feb 03 14:43:16 Thanks Nate. Feb 03 14:43:32 martior? Feb 03 14:43:55 * jcham (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:44:05 That's him. Feb 03 14:44:16 * jcham is now known as jcham1 Feb 03 14:44:24 * jcham1 is now known as jcham Feb 03 14:49:28 What's the typical use case for CMFBib? Do folks usually create just one BibFolder that everyones' references go into or one per person on the site? Feb 03 14:49:59 * oferw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 14:50:20 * grahamperrin hears thumbnails and previews Feb 03 14:50:22 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/Quicklook_Programming_Guide/QLUserExperience/chapter_2_section_3.html Feb 03 14:50:30 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/Quicklook_Programming_Guide/QLSaveInDocument/chapter_8_section_1.html Feb 03 14:50:37 http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/Quicklook_Programming_Guide/QLUserExperience/chapter_2_section_2.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40005020-CH3-DontLinkElementID_12 Feb 03 14:50:58 Thanks, cameraman. Looks like a great location. :) Feb 03 14:51:28 * oferw (n=chatzill@212.179.253.183) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:53:39 * oferw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 14:54:35 * oferw (n=chatzill@212.179.253.183) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 14:57:55 * ree has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 03 14:58:58 Balazs is going to start a KSS talk soon. Feb 03 14:59:06 Ooo, thanks. Feb 03 14:59:10 Incentive to get on the stream ;) Feb 03 14:59:50 The steam is remarkably well behaved. Kudos to somebody. Feb 03 14:59:59 The stream, too Feb 03 15:00:57 That would be nate Feb 03 15:01:11 Kudos, natea Feb 03 15:01:47 * esteele tags a bunch of issues. Feb 03 15:03:17 * siebo (n=siebo@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:03:29 Balazs is planning to both introduce kss and talk about recent work. Something for everyone. Feb 03 15:03:33 Now starting. Feb 03 15:03:46 cool Feb 03 15:06:12 Can you folks here Balazs? Feb 03 15:06:18 s/here/hear/ Feb 03 15:06:19 yep, just Feb 03 15:06:24 a little faint Feb 03 15:06:26 but ok Feb 03 15:06:41 * grahamperrin puts his hand up to, not done anything with it Feb 03 15:06:44 Lots of keyboard and chair noise Feb 03 15:06:44 who is that in the foreground of the stream now? Feb 03 15:06:54 jonstahl: Balazs Feb 03 15:07:11 If you missed the prior announcement, big merge into the CMFBib trunk. People should update. Feb 03 15:07:39 i can here him. Feb 03 15:07:39 i don't think so. Feb 03 15:07:43 If you have questions for balazs, ask them in the channel. Feb 03 15:07:57 * ErikRose updates. Feb 03 15:08:00 Thanks, Steve Feb 03 15:08:21 i packaged one of balazs's tutorials here: http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/kss-part-one-online/ Feb 03 15:08:38 Nate just gave balazs a mike Feb 03 15:10:09 grahamperrin: thanks :-) Feb 03 15:10:22 np I copied and pasted Feb 03 15:12:35 http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ Feb 03 15:16:04 * siebo has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 15:16:07 * siebo_ (n=siebo@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:17:10 when I create my plone site in the buildout should I install the *Biblio* extension profiles Feb 03 15:17:15 * siebo_ is now known as siebo Feb 03 15:17:26 siebo: I really doubt it. Feb 03 15:17:36 ErikRose: ah, ok, thank Feb 03 15:17:36 I never have. Feb 03 15:17:39 np Feb 03 15:18:24 http://kssproject.org/download/firekiss.xpi/view Feb 03 15:18:37 what was decided about the domain and plone for unviersities? Feb 03 15:18:57 siebo: hay ;-) Feb 03 15:19:08 I think they decided on ploneedu.something Feb 03 15:19:10 I think we're going to get the Plone Foundation to register the domain. Feb 03 15:19:10 oferw: hi :) Feb 03 15:19:14 oferw: I have a Colloquy log of some of yesterday's IRC Feb 03 15:19:29 oferw: and I think natea will be making available logs Feb 03 15:19:47 * ErikRose has much of it logged and just has to get Apache configured to serve it. Feb 03 15:19:51 grahamperrin: great Feb 03 15:21:33 * jcham (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has left #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:22:06 Unit tests in JavaScript, what a concept! Feb 03 15:22:09 Where is this page that Balazs is using? Feb 03 15:22:23 ErikRose: it's running on localhost:8080 Feb 03 15:22:37 Figured that much. Is it part of some KSSDevelopment product or something? Feb 03 15:22:48 ErikRose: http://kssproject.org Feb 03 15:25:15 natea: thanks Feb 03 15:26:02 ErikRose: Get that? Feb 03 15:26:17 Nope Feb 03 15:26:49 The demo package is to be part of Plone 3.1, and is in the review set now. Feb 03 15:27:00 SteveM: thanks Feb 03 15:27:02 Oho. Thanks. Feb 03 15:28:25 natea: can you raise the brightness of the broadcast (without raising the brightness in the room)? QuickTime Player window yesterday and today just a little dimmer than my other windows Feb 03 15:29:05 ^ only if easily done and non-disruptive Feb 03 15:29:22 Nate's seeing what he can do. Feb 03 15:29:43 * jcham (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:30:39 grahamperrin: i don't think there's much we can do w/o closing all the blinds in the room Feb 03 15:30:52 natea: really, no problem Feb 03 15:31:00 * geojeff has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 15:31:38 * geojeff (n=geojeff@97.73.50.182) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:33:44 for half-time entertainment, you can watch the Day 1 sprint video - http://plone.tv/media/530888046 Feb 03 15:34:59 Anyone working on the Zotero integration? Feb 03 15:37:48 * mateolan_ (n=Administ@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:40:38 * jonstahl has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 15:40:55 Fun video, natea :-) Feb 03 15:41:04 * jonstahl (n=jonstahl@h-67-101-3-91.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:42:33 Back to Balazs Feb 03 15:49:21 Then we should package a newer setuptools version... Feb 03 15:49:30 I'm happy to help. Feb 03 15:49:35 I've been doing that for 3 weeks. Feb 03 15:49:41 niiice Feb 03 15:50:05 The nice thing about Debianthe dev docs from 5 years ago are still right. Feb 03 15:50:28 Ha ha, just serious. Feb 03 15:51:49 * kamalgill (n=kamalgil@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 15:54:34 SteveM: did we agree on a flickr tag for uploading photos? Feb 03 15:54:45 same as delicious tag? Feb 03 15:54:47 Someone posted one earlier. Feb 03 15:54:57 Sorry, that was delicious. Feb 03 15:55:03 Same sounds fine. Feb 03 15:56:39 wildnt: chk ur email, pseudocode for biblio errors Feb 03 15:58:41 wildint: what was the name of the biblio parsing file where we found the code to change? Feb 03 15:59:31 Balazs started a flickr tag: sciencesprint Feb 03 16:00:03 http://flickr.com/search/?q=sciencesprint Feb 03 16:00:40 "I didn't pray to the demo god." --Balazs Feb 03 16:01:12 if you have photos of the sprint, please upload them to flickr with the tag "sciencesprint" Feb 03 16:04:11 Hehe, optical mouse doesn't work so well on a glass table. Feb 03 16:05:02 * kamalgill_ (n=kamalgil@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:05:05 * natea_ (n=natea@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:05:08 * siebo_ (n=siebo@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:05:13 * mateolan1 (n=Administ@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:06:40 Anybody have a microformat preference? Feb 03 16:06:54 As in yes or no? Feb 03 16:07:12 Sorry, I wasn't listening. Feb 03 16:07:24 * siebo_ is now known as siebo|away Feb 03 16:07:39 * hauser (n=hauser@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:08:04 * stevem_ (n=SteveM@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:08:08 * kamalgill_ has quit (Client Quit) Feb 03 16:08:10 COins or RDF? Feb 03 16:09:15 esteele: COins is good for compatibility with Zotero plugin for firefox--a desired feature by some (incl me) Feb 03 16:09:36 Ok. I'll go with that. Thanks, mateolan1. Feb 03 16:10:21 * mateolan1 (n=Administ@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has left #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:11:37 * jcha1 (n=jchamm@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:12:44 * natea_ has changed the topic to: CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://tinyurl.com/2htku9 | ive video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp | Flickr photos - http://tinyurl.com/29xxvy | Delicious bookmarks - http://tinyurl.com/29awxm Feb 03 16:13:08 * natea_ has changed the topic to: CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://tinyurl.com/2htku9 | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp | Flickr photos - http://tinyurl.com/29xxvy | Delicious bookmarks - http://tinyurl.com/29awxm Feb 03 16:14:26 * wildint has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 03 16:14:59 * wildint (n=madadh@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:14:59 * SteveM has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 03 16:15:04 * natea has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 03 16:16:11 * jcham has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 03 16:16:16 * siebo has quit (Success) Feb 03 16:16:50 * kamalgill has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 03 16:17:34 * mateolan_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 03 16:21:16 * ErikRose has changed the topic to: CMFBib issues - http://tinyurl.com/yr3uex | Sprint planning - http://tinyurl.com/2htku9 | Live video stream - rtsp://air137.startdedicated.com:554/scientifictoolssprint.sdp | Flickr photos - http://tinyurl.com/29xxvy | Delicious bookmarks - http://tinyurl.com/29awxm | IRC logs - http://tinyurl.com/ytn8th Feb 03 16:21:23 * ErikRose finally posts the IRC logs. Feb 03 16:21:40 ErikRose: we can link to them in the topic Feb 03 16:21:47 Just did. :-) Feb 03 16:21:53 nice Feb 03 16:22:33 I was away for a while - the stream ended? Feb 03 16:22:39 Apparently Feb 03 16:25:23 We lost wireless for a moment. Feb 03 16:25:50 Nate has stepped out; I'll tell him when he returns. Feb 03 16:26:47 ty Feb 03 16:28:38 * mateola1 (n=mateolan@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:28:56 * grahamperrin tunes in thanks Feb 03 16:32:44 cbcunc, have you talked to siebo about adding DOI and keywords to the schemas Feb 03 16:33:42 * kamalgill (n=kamalgil@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:36:38 wildint: no. i've been deathly ill the last two days. Feb 03 16:38:51 wildint: adding doi number to the schema is easy. what needs to happen is on the view, the doi number needs to be enclosed in a RESTful link to a DOI resolution server for that number. And the DOI resolution server should probably be a property on the content type. Feb 03 16:39:20 cbcunc, I just wanted to make sure if you do the DOI you also add the keywords at the same time Feb 03 16:39:41 So you can change the server. Because dx.doi.org, which everyone would be tempted to use, is just an experimental resolution server. Feb 03 16:39:51 wildint: i don't think i'm going to be doing anything for awhile. Feb 03 16:40:12 wildint: i can barely breathe or swallow right now. Feb 03 16:41:00 I'll try to make sure siebo adds DOI when he goes to put in keywords Feb 03 16:41:15 so that you can jump to the step after that when you're better Feb 03 16:41:29 wildint: sounds good. make all the schema changes at once. the view and the property can be added later. Feb 03 16:42:22 doi.org is even slower than plone.org Feb 03 16:43:34 Feel better, cbcunc. Feb 03 16:48:41 * siebo|away is now known as siebo Feb 03 16:50:27 cbcunc: to which bibliotypes do you think we should add DOI? Feb 03 16:50:50 siebo: what are the choices Feb 03 16:51:51 siebo: if it can be used for a citation, it needs a DOI. it's the standard unique identifier in the natural and physical sciences. Feb 03 16:56:57 * oferw_ (n=chatzill@212.179.253.183) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 16:57:38 cbcunc: sorry to lag,was on the phone for a moment Feb 03 16:58:02 * oferw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 16:58:09 seibo: np. what the choices for bibliotypes that you are asking about? Feb 03 16:58:14 I think it definitely would fit in article... Feb 03 16:58:17 * oferw_ is now known as oferw Feb 03 16:58:25 wildint was thinking it might also fit in inproceedings Feb 03 16:58:34 cbcunc: we can also check with Raphael Feb 03 17:01:11 seibo: it should show up in the same places that journal title, volume, page, article title, and isbn would show up. Feb 03 17:01:52 seibo: and it should be optional and if it is left blank, then it should not show up in the view. Feb 03 17:02:27 seibo: it can probably be text for now and i can add a custom validator later. Feb 03 17:04:58 seibo: the field type is tough. doi is not resolving right now. i think there is some intention to use DOI in urlspace as a protocol, like doi://some-doi-number Feb 03 17:05:16 seibo: you may just want to table the DOI ticket for now. Feb 03 17:08:01 cbcunc: well, it looks like the article schema already has a DOI field... Feb 03 17:08:23 seibo: doi.org is down. but the format is shown here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_object_identifier#Structure Feb 03 17:08:42 this is an article schema in CMFBibiliographyAT? Feb 03 17:12:07 * kidsoul (n=kidsoul@146-115-95-200.c3-0.brl-ubr1.sbo-brl.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 17:12:52 cbcunc: yes, let me find you an SVN link Feb 03 17:13:12 seibo: i'm looking too. Feb 03 17:13:17 :) Feb 03 17:13:55 cbcunc: http://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/CMFBibliographyAT/trunk/content/article.py Feb 03 17:15:03 * kidsoul has quit (Client Quit) Feb 03 17:16:25 siebo: i see it. cool. Feb 03 17:18:29 * stevem_ is now known as SteveM Feb 03 17:21:59 * enzo__ (n=enzo@eu85-86-217-225.clientes.euskaltel.es) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 17:21:59 * enzo_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 03 17:24:29 * mateola1 has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 03 17:27:19 Later, all. Feb 03 17:27:28 * ErikRose has quit () Feb 03 17:32:38 did svn.plone.org/svn/collective just die? Feb 03 17:32:42 * enzo__ has quit () Feb 03 17:35:38 * aclark (n=aclark@ns1.aclark.net) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 17:35:44 aclark! Feb 03 17:35:48 cbcunc! Feb 03 17:35:56 * aclark wonders what the science sprint is Feb 03 17:36:20 aclark: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zugod/project-home Feb 03 17:40:24 anyone know where ErikRose is? Feb 03 17:40:27 * natea_ is now known as natea Feb 03 17:41:11 cbcunc: oh! the cali thing ;-) Feb 03 17:41:29 aclark: http://plone.tv/tagging/tags/sciencesprint Feb 03 17:41:34 * oferw has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") Feb 03 17:41:52 natea: ooo, nice thanks Feb 03 17:42:56 natea: ErikRose said goodbye Feb 03 17:43:20 * natea is working on a CMFBibliographyAT screencast Feb 03 17:43:28 * geojeff has quit () Feb 03 17:43:52 natea: that will be very smart, very timely for discussion with colleagues at work Feb 03 17:44:18 seibo: you are working out of trunk? Feb 03 17:50:36 seibo: nevermind. Feb 03 17:52:55 seibo: i'm looking at these types in CMFBibliographyAT/trunk/content and there are many which could apply to DOI. DOI can be used on anything which is an *electronic document*. Feb 03 17:57:11 * mateolan_ (n=Administ@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 17:57:13 * mateolan (n=mateolan@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 18:00:12 seibo: after looking at /CMFBibliography/trunk/content, I'm convinced that article.py is the wrong place for DOI. It ought to be in /CMFBibliography/trunk/content/schemata.py in CoreSchema. The rationale is that is where the publication_url and publication_pdf fields are. publication_doi ought to be a peer of those two fields (because the url or the link to the PDF often *is* the DOI). Feb 03 18:02:17 cbcunc: ok, that sounds reasonable to me, I'll speak with Raphael about this Feb 03 18:03:05 siebo: thanks Feb 03 18:04:18 * kamalgill has quit ("Leaving") Feb 03 18:10:33 * SteveM has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 03 18:10:45 blog post from day 1 - http://nateaune.com/2008/02/03/scientific-tools-and-documentation-plone-sprint-day-1/ Feb 03 18:11:31 seibo: ok, DOI was added to article.py in changeset 33207 on 11/09/06 18:46:18 (1 year ago). that was since i last checked. i didn't know it was already there. i'm pleasantly surprised. Feb 03 18:11:46 seibo: raphael says in the checkin comment: "Looking at http://www.doi.org/, there's probably a case for adding this field to (all?) other types as well, but I've only ever had cause to use it for articles, so I'll just stick with that for now." Feb 03 18:12:38 in my field, we've had it for conference posters and presentation and graduation theses. Feb 03 18:14:23 where is the right place in the buildout to run "svn up"? Feb 03 18:15:26 * martior (n=martior@langlit178.ucdavis.edu) has joined #sciencesprint Feb 03 18:17:04 seibo: anywhere at or below where you checked it out. :) Feb 03 18:17:54 * You have been marked as being away Feb 03 18:18:33 we should all get one of these: http://www.lippiselkbag.co.uk/ Feb 03 18:34:46 taking the stream off for a few min to get some scenic shots Feb 03 18:39:04 Heh. Just as you guys start talking about my project. :P Feb 03 18:44:08 cbcunc: thanks Feb 03 18:44:37 cbcunc: I spoke with Raphael re: where to put DOI in the schema, he is adding a new field to CoreSchema Feb 03 18:46:38 cbcunc: which will be a more generic identifier field that can support multiple identifier types as a dictionary Feb 03 18:48:39 cbcunc: PubMed, DOI, etc :) Feb 03 18:52:40 stream is back Feb 03 18:56:43 * callahan has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]") Feb 03 19:13:07 seibo: check Feb 03 19:13:07 * You are no longer marked as being away Feb 03 19:13:29 seibco: hopefullly we'll be able to tell what kind of field it is. Feb 03 19:13:59 pubmed is a medical only *database*. doi is a document identifier for an electronic document which could be anywhere Feb 03 19:14:23 a doi can be made into a direct link to a server which will return a link to the document as a web service. Feb 03 19:14:38 so there are things you would do with a doi that you would not do with a doi. Feb 03 19:14:50 so there are things you would do with a doi that you would not do with a pubmed, that is. Feb 03 19:14:54 sorry. Feb 03 19:15:32 * You have been marked as being away Feb 03 19:16:52 cbcunc: makes sense, I think we could probably work around that in the template/widget/view logic Feb 03 19:30:38 * siebo is now known as siebo|outside Feb 03 19:31:36 siebo: also growing possibility that a doc will have both a doi and a pubmed. Feb 03 19:31:36 * You are no longer marked as being away Feb 03 19:31:40 * You have been marked as being away Feb 03 19:32:58 jcha1: want to take a break? Feb 03 19:36:07 * jonstahl is now known as jon|walk Feb 03 20:07:32 * siebo|outside is now known as siebo Feb 03 20:09:41 we're doing a wrapup now Feb 03 20:16:43 +1 to screencast notion Feb 03 20:17:10 and some demo sites might be great for advocacy Feb 03 20:25:08 * grahamperrin (i=grahampe@bb-87-81-165-9.ukonline.co.uk) has left #sciencesprint Feb 03 20:29:28 siebo: http://dev.plone.org/collective/changeset/58139 Feb 03 20:30:28 * martior has quit () Feb 03 20:46:43 * heureso has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 03 20:49:32 * siebo has quit ("audi") Feb 03 20:52:02 shutting down the stream Feb 03 20:52:10 heading out for dinner Feb 03 20:52:14 see y'all tomorrow! 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Feb 04 03:18:53 oh it was just a weird caching issue Feb 04 03:19:01 restarting zope cleared it up Feb 04 03:19:11 so a normal import clears with my code Feb 04 03:19:17 now to try some variants Feb 04 03:19:38 welcome kinder Feb 04 03:19:51 thank you mateolan Feb 04 03:20:17 kinder are you using bibliographic tools? Feb 04 03:20:36 mateolan: not yet Feb 04 03:20:43 but I want to follow your work Feb 04 03:22:48 kinder, I see you are from Torino...is there much Plone happening in Northern Italy? Feb 04 03:26:13 mateolan: yes, here we have two universities using Plone Feb 04 03:29:38 mateolan, latest error using your file http://pastebin.com/m6ceb4cfb Feb 04 03:32:35 mateolan, so it errors when it can't find at least a comma in the first line of an entry Feb 04 03:32:50 I added commas to some entries and they came through right Feb 04 03:34:42 kk Feb 04 03:34:45 hmmn Feb 04 03:36:03 so test for them, then add them if needed (as a quick fix with long range plans to fix remainder of code, so doesn't error so harshly) Feb 04 03:36:05 ? Feb 04 03:37:16 I think I see what's going on Feb 04 03:37:30 the parser knows when there's a line based on a , I think Feb 04 03:38:36 no wait Feb 04 03:38:49 it looks for \n \r or \t Feb 04 03:39:03 I can't figure out where the comma would factor in Feb 04 03:43:20 it looks like it has to do with the strip operation on the type Feb 04 03:45:05 ah type, pid = tokens[0].strip().split('{') Feb 04 03:45:21 and when there's nothing after the { it gets confused Feb 04 03:45:30